CONTACTS 
0201 - University of Evansville                                                                                                                                           O-00000733 0607
020101 - Mr. Bernard F. Suzanne; Professor                                                                                                                                O-00000733 0607
020103 - Classical Studies                                                                                                                                                O-00000733 0607

SUBJECTS
Common Sense Misleads Truth Moving Target
Common Sense Managers Ignore Information Facts Data that Conflict
Common Sense Inertia from Success Blinds Management to New Ideas
Plato, Biographer of Socrates

1806 -
1806 -    ..
1807 - Summary/Objective
1808 -
180801 - Follow up ref SDS 18 0000, ref SDS 17 0000.
180802 -
180803 - A letter from a classics "expert" cites Plato's writing in Phaedrus on
180804 - the dominate view of the time that speech is more useful than writing,
180805 - and that writing is more susceptible to "abuse" than speech.
180807 -  ..
180808 - Submitted ref DIT 1 0001 responding to Bernard's letter, ref DRT 1
180809 - 0001, with link to this record.  Linked to the record on 970910 that
180810 - reports managers do not have time to think. ref SDS 10 3479  Cited
180811 - letter to Morris on luck, ref DIP 1 0001, submitted yesterday.
180812 - ref SDS 20 5106  Cite social pressures that move people away from
180813 - literacy developed on 991108. ref SDS 16 7380
180814 -
180815 -
180816 -
180818 -  ..
1809 -
1810 -
1811 - Progress
181201 -  ..
181202 - Poetry - Early Repository of Knowledge, Style Prized above Substance
181203 -
181204 - Received ref DRT 1 0001 from Bernard Suzanne answering an inquiry
181205 - about the source of Plato's alleged disdain for the poets in relation
181206 - to support for literacy to ensure accuracy, as reported in the record
181207 - on 991124. ref SDS 18 2632
181209 -  ..
181210 - Bernard has a web site on...
181211 -
181212 -
181213 -                  Plato and His Dialogues, ref OF 5 0001
181214 -
181215 -
181216 -            http://eawc.evansville.edu/essays/suzanne.htm
181217 -
181218 -
181219 - ...which is part of a larger subject for...
181221 -                     ..
181222 -                    Exploring the Ancient World
181223 -
181224 -
181225 -                http://eawc.evansville.edu/index.htm
181226 -
181228 -  ..
181229 - Evansville University has a comprehensive web site for classical
181230 - studies, which includes...
181231 -
181232 -
181233 -               Plato and His Dialogues, the Life of Plato
181234 -
181235 -
181236 - ...the introduction by Anthony Beaver. Ph.D. ref OF 4 0001  Bernard
181237 - cites the Phaedrus to discuss Plato's view of literacy and orality,
181238 - which arose from review of Prometheus on 991108. ref SDS 16 7426
181240 -  ..
181241 - Bernard explains in his letter that in Plato's time...
181242 -
181243 -     ...education entailed reading Homer and memorizing huge parts of
181244 -     his works to become a poet.  A skilled poet was the primary source
181245 -     of knowledge, whereas the poet himself might not have been
181246 -     knowledgeable on what he was talking about, but mostly trying to
181247 -     move the feelings of his readers. ref DRT 1 3550
181249 -  ..
181250 - This tradition still dominates, as explained in the NWO... paper.
181251 - ref OF 10 5653  Government and business rely on style rather than
181252 - substance, as reported at Intel on 960103. ref SDS 9 8409
181254 -  ..
181255 - Fortune reported in June that the few CEOs who rely on literacy have a
181256 - better chance of being successful. ref SDS 12 1024
181258 -  ..
181259 - Bernard provides additional references, but no citations...
181260 -
181261 -     ... a short dialogue called Ion.
181262 -
181263 -     Hippias Minor for a comparison between Achilles and Ulysses.
181264 -
181265 -     Parts of the Republic (end of book II, beginning of book III, and
181266 -     beginning of book X).
181268 -  ..
181269 - Bernard advises that...
181270 -
181271 -     Plato's criticism of the poets has to be understood in relation
181272 -     with his whole philosophy and his high care for education and the
181273 -     truth. ref DRT 1 2380
181275 -  ..
181276 - Plato's regard for truth aligns with the famous quote of Plato's
181277 - famous student, Aristotle, cited in the NWO... paper. ref OF 10 JV3G
181279 -  ..
181280 - On 950412 leaders feel betrayed when their people do not tell the
181281 - truth. ref SDS 6 3920
181282 -
181283 -
181284 -
1813 -

SUBJECTS
Plato Phaedrus
Mechanized Thinking Using Alphabet Technology Less Useful than Dialog

1904 -
190501 -  ..
190502 - Plato's Phaedrus Shows Traditional Resistance to New Methods
190503 -
190504 - Bernard indicates Plato's commentary in the Phaedrus on the myth of
190505 - Theuth relates a dialog with Socrates that tells of evils that might
190506 - result from over reliance on "mechanized" thinking, using alphabet
190507 - technology, ref DRT 1 2120, rather than rely on established tradition
190508 - of dialog and oratory.  Socretes attributes this line of reasoning to
190509 - Thamus. ref SDS 0 5658  This argument is presented in the record on
190510 - 991108 rejecting the alphabetic mind. ref SDS 16 6344
190512 -  ..
190513 - By definition, evil results from "too much" of anything.
190515 -       ..
190516 -      [On 000720 Joe Ransdell makes similar point. ref SDS 23 0540
190518 -       ..
190519 -      [On 001122 John Maloney concerned about mechanized thinking.
190520 -      ref SDS 24 UO6G
190522 -       ..
190523 -      [On 010114 John proposes "talking" about KM is "doing" KM that
190524 -      produces "sympathized knowledge derived from socializtion which
190525 -      yields fantastic social contacts. ref SDS 25 EK3I and ref SDS 25
190526 -      V24S
190528 -       ..
190529 -      [On 040620 John Maloney issues press release offering seminar on
190530 -      Knowledge Mangement, rejects mechanistic, linear reductionist
190531 -      (connectionist) thinking based on alphabet technology; offers new
190532 -      vision for 21st century. ref SDS 32 GQ8N
190533 -
190535 -  ..
190536 - Phaedrus is on the web site...
190537 -
190538 -         http://plato.evansville.edu/texts/jowett/phaedrus14.htm
190539 -
190540 - ...which is captured for analysis. ref OF 6 0001  Included the
190541 - Conclusion in section 15, which confirms understandings on speech and
190542 - writing. ref OF 7 0001
190544 -  ..
190545 - Greek culture advocates moderation, i.e., balance and harmony, which
190546 - are the objectives of POIMS technology, ref OF 9 8559 (presentation
190547 - developed for Golden Gate University on 900507, ref SDS 2 0620).
190548 - Inherent binary forces in nature require continual attention to
190549 - maintain balance, reviewed on 990716. ref SDS 13 4940
190551 -  ..
190552 - The New World Order paper explains that modern technology skews the
190553 - balance in management away from literacy, which harms understanding
190554 - and planning. ref OF 10 8218 and ref OF 10 3186, further explained on
190555 - 991108 reviewing Greek mythology. ref SDS 16 7380
190557 -  ..
190558 - POIMS cites the continual struggle to balance thinking and doing.
190559 - ref OF 9 2049 and ref OF 9 6944
190560 -
190561 -
190562 -
190563 -
1906 -

SUBJECTS
Inventors Not Best Judge of Their Own Inventions
Alphaget Most Powerful Technology
Eyewash Exaggerated Claims SDS Unique Design Utopia Objectionable
Bias Inventors Not Best Judge of Own Inventions, Plato Phaedrous Dial
Plato Phaedrus Inventor Creator Welch Not Best Authority to Make Prof
Bias Inventors Not Best Judge of Own Inventions, Plato Phaedrous Dia

2408 -
240901 -  ..
240902 - What does Plato impute to Socrates in the Phaedrus about....
240903 - Alphabet Mechanism for Linear Reductionist Thinking Lifts Civilization
240904 - Linear Reductionist Thinking Mechanism of Alphabet Lifts Civilization
240905 -
240906 -
240907 -                 balancing literacy and oral communication
240909 -         ..
240910 -    1.  Theuth cites benefits of invention attributed to "Ibis" a god
240911 -        for invention; he listes inventions considered at that time to
240912 -        be most useful to civilization, including mathematics,
240913 -        astronomy, draughts and dice; Theuth argued that the best
240914 -        invention was the alphabet that aids memory and wit.
240915 -        ref OF 6 4900 and ref OF 6 1006
240916 -
240917 -           This part of Phaedrus was added to NWO. ref OF 14 YT8J
240919 -            ..
240920 -           While memory probably requires no further definition, "wit"
240921 -           seems most closely related to "intelligence," cited in the
240922 -           NWO... paper. ref OF 10 2247 and discussing "wisdom."
240923 -           ref OF 11 3007  Wit, intelligence, wisdom are elements of
240924 -           thinking and reasoning.  Thus, in 400 BC some people
240925 -           recognized that alphabet technology provided a mechanism to
240926 -           augment human cognition.  Linear reductionist mechanics of
240927 -           connecting small meanings to construct larger understandings
240928 -           based on linear positioning of characters is described in
240929 -           POIMS. ref OF 9 ER3G  NWO also presents this method.
240930 -           ref OF 14 9W3H  Havelock says the alphabet was an explosive
240931 -           technology, ref SDS 16 5628, that changed the character of
240932 -           human thought to the "alphabetic mind," reported on 991108.
240933 -           ref SDS 16 5151
240934 -
240935 -                [On 010622 Lenat maintains that alphabet technology
240936 -                makes people superhuman, reported on 010420.
240937 -                ref SDS 26 N668
240939 -                 ..
240940 -                [On 040312 laws of nature yield order, structure,
240941 -                pattern of cause and effect for logical analysis,
240942 -                ref SDS 31 RP6K; locality principle requires adding
240943 -                energy to connect cause and effect that converts
240944 -                information into the power of knowledge; Knowledge
240945 -                Management takes a lot of hard work (i.e., energy)
240946 -                without tools for intelligence support; without
240947 -                "knowledge," however, information overload drives
240948 -                management toward entropy, which makes email a "killer
240949 -                application" that kills productivity, from lectures on
240950 -                21st century science. ref SDS 31 YH4G
240952 -            ..
240953 -           Recognizing the importance of accurate memory aligns with
240954 -           research on 900319 showing that human reasoning is primarily
240955 -           based on memory. ref SDS 1 0005
240957 -            ..
240958 -           Plato's regard for alphabet technology in 400 BC as the
240959 -           "best invention" was endorsed by a team of modern day
240960 -           experts, reported on 991010, who cited Gutenberg for having
240961 -           done the most to advance civilization over the past
240962 -           millennium for having invented technology that strengthens
240963 -           literacy. ref SDS 14 2548
240965 -         ..
240966 -    2.  Thamus noted that inventors are not the best judge of utility
240967 -        for their own creations; and, that Theuth was accordingly
240968 -        incorrect about the usefulness of the alphabet. ref OF 6 2956
240969 -
240970 -           Theuth's assessment that alphabet technology was a better
240971 -           invention that mathematics, astronomy, draughts and dice was
240972 -           later supported by Havelock, reviewed on 991108 saying this
240973 -           was an explosive technology that lifted civilization to a
240974 -           new level. ref SDS 16 5628
240975 -
240976 -              [On 000113 Moses and Aaron effect reflects long standing
240977 -              requirement for complementary skills of innovation in
240978 -              development and marketing are needed to successfully sell
240979 -              new technologies. ref SDS 22 0T43
240981 -               ..
240982 -              [On 011208 Jack Park cautions against inventor "chest
240983 -              thumping" to help people learn a new way of working.
240984 -              ref SDS 27 YX36
240986 -               ..
240987 -              [On 020924 Jack Park calls for others to tell story of
240988 -              SDS and Com Metrics rather than developer. ref SDS 28
240989 -              6T6L
240991 -               ..
240992 -              [On 040221 Jack calls for Gary to tell the story of SDS.
240993 -              ref SDS 30 W54O
240994 -
240995 -
240996 -
240997 -
240998 -
240999 -
241000 -
2411 -

SUBJECTS
Mechanized Thinking Using Alphabet Technology Less Useful than Dialog

2803 -
280401 -         ..
280402 -        Socratic Skepticism Cynicism Giving Up on Accuracy
280403 -        Perfection Beyond Reach So Socretes Gives Up on Accuracy
280404 -        Alphabet Mechanism Causes Forgetfullness, Impairs Memory
280405 -
280406 -    3.  Thamus argued the alphabet creates forgetfulness because
280407 -        people will not use their memories; they will trust to the
280408 -        external written characters rather than invest the time
280409 -        required to memorize information. ref OF 6 1004
280410 -
280411 -           Fear of using writing for "mechanized" thinking and
280412 -           analysis, cited in corresponded reported above, ref SDS 0
280413 -           0877, and for accurate memory was reported on 910911,
280414 -           ref SDS 3 5567, and again on 950517 when strong objections
280415 -           to writing for management analysis. ref SDS 8 8849
280417 -            ..
280418 -           On 991010 Gutenberg was voted the greatest figure of the
280419 -           millennium because the printing press widened the influence
280420 -           of alphabet technology, and this aided all other inventions.
280421 -           ref SDS 14 3056
280423 -            ..
280424 -           Experience shows writing aids memory, because it involves
280425 -           coordination between hands, eyes and hearing senses, which
280426 -           engages a larger share of human cognition, than does
280427 -           speaking and listening, reviewed on 990121. ref SDS 11 6490
280429 -            ..
280430 -           People still today fear tools and yearn for a secret formula
280431 -           that strengthens personal wit and charm, without reliance on
280432 -           mechanistic tools for improving communication.  An example
280433 -           on 950426 is hope that 20 - 80 memory methods yield good
280434 -           management without using SDS. ref SDS 7 4022
280435 -
280436 -              [On 010114, 2,400 years later, experts fear "mechanized"
280437 -              knowledge will impair people skills. ref SDS 25 V24S
280439 -               ..
280440 -              [On 040921 Morris worries that because SDS improves
280441 -              accuracy maintaining alignment, but cannot attain
280442 -              perfection, then no effort should be made to improve.
280443 -              ref SDS 33 GM8I
280445 -               ..
280446 -              [On 040312 laws of nature yield order, structure, pattern
280447 -              of cause and effect for logical analysis, ref SDS 31
280448 -              RP6K; locality principle requires adding energy to
280449 -              connect cause and effect that converts information into
280450 -              the power of knowledge; Knowledge Management takes a lot
280451 -              of hard work (i.e., energy) without tools for
280452 -              intelligence support; without "knowledge," however,
280453 -              information overload drives management toward entropy,
280454 -              which makes email a "killer application" that kills
280455 -              productivity, from lectures on 21st century science.
280456 -              ref SDS 31 YH4G
280458 -               ..
280459 -              [On 040312 Newtonian physics, ref SDS 31 EL6J, advanced
280460 -              mechanistic linear reductionist thinking. ref SDS 31 GD6K
280462 -               ..
280463 -              [On 040620 John Maloney issues press release offering
280464 -              seminar on Knowledge Mangement, rejects mechanistic,
280465 -              linear reductionist (connectionist) thinking based on
280466 -              alphabet technology; offers new vision for 21st century.
280467 -              ref SDS 32 GQ8N
280468 -
280470 -         ..
280471 -    4.  Thamus further contended that the alphabet does not aid memory,
280472 -        but imparts reminiscence and the semblance of truth. Users of
280473 -        the alphabet will be hearers of many things and will have
280474 -        learned nothing; they will appear to be omniscient and will
280475 -        generally know nothing; they will be tiresome company, having
280476 -        the show of wisdom without the reality. ref OF 6 1005
280478 -            ..
280479 -           Bernard notes that Plato's writing enables analysis of
280480 -           Socrates views. ref DRT 1 3904
280482 -            ..
280483 -           Plato presents opinion of the day, through Socrates, that
280484 -           writing is less durable than personal recollection,
280485 -           demonstrating resistance to new methods; the durability of
280486 -           Plato's writings, which survived for over 2,000 years, show
280487 -           the wisdom of Plato's decision not to give up and yield to
280488 -           cultural pressure to be a "team player" by following the
280489 -           fashion of the day to rely solely on dialog, but to augment
280490 -           traditional practice with the new tools of alphabet
280491 -           technology.
280493 -            ..
280494 -           On 991108 Havelock explains advantages of alphabet
280495 -           technology that have allowed Plato's works to endure for
280496 -           2,000 years. ref SDS 16 0844
280497 -
280498 -                [On 040203 social pressures to avoid improvement and be
280499 -                a "team player" resist advance from literacy to
280500 -                knowledge. ref SDS 29 E44K
280501 -
280502 -           "Reminiscence," "learning" and "knowledge" are not defined.
280504 -            ..
280505 -           In modern times "experience" is recognized as the key to
280506 -           "knowledge," noted by Einstein reviewed on 991124.
280507 -           ref SDS 17 3066
280509 -            ..
280510 -           Accuracy is a constant struggle of human memory.  Literacy
280511 -           permits a richer process of research and alignment, using
280512 -           external, objective symbols, called "alphabet technology,"
280513 -           than is possible with sole reliance on orality, so that
280514 -           estimates of what might have been intended, or transpired 10
280515 -           minutes ago, 10 days ago, or 10 years ago, can be much more
280516 -           refined using literacy, than is possible from dialog that
280517 -           relies solely on memory.  SDS "firepower," explained on
280518 -           950204, ref SDS 5 4995, extends this capability by an order
280519 -           of magnitude.
280521 -            ..
280522 -           Why will users of the alphabet learn less of what they hear,
280523 -           than those who do not jot down what they hear and analyse it
280524 -           with organization and alignment?
280525 -
280526 -              [On 000720 Joe Ransdell, Texas Tech, says writers of
280527 -              Plato's time did not add analysis and alignment, just
280528 -              jotted down what was said, and often these were canned
280529 -              speeches, intended to influence, rather than to develop
280530 -              knowledge. ref SDS 23 3652
280532 -            ..
280533 -           Theuth was positioned to explain the theoretical benefits of
280534 -           the alphabet, based on daily experience with oral
280535 -           communication, as related on 991108, ref SDS 16 4505, but
280536 -           Thamus had no similar experience to assess the utility of
280537 -           the alphabet, since it was a new invention.  Very few people
280538 -           in those days used writing, until the invention of the
280539 -           printing press in 1455, as related on 991010. ref SDS 14 2548
280541 -            ..
280542 -           On 940609 explanation that conversation is transitory and
280543 -           discursive, unless, as Plato does in Phaedrus, the writer
280544 -           crafts the dialog to add control. ref SDS 4 0792
280546 -         ..
280547 -    5.  Phaedrus tells Socrates that Thamus's assessment of the
280548 -        alphabet is correct. ref OF 6 6660
280550 -         ..
280551 -        There is no evidence offered to support this conclusion, and
280552 -        all of the evidence since has shown the power of knowledge
280553 -        enabled by literacy. ref SDS 0 XN5K
280555 -         ..
280556 -    6.  Socrates tell Phaedrus that writing is not intelligible nor
280557 -        certain; and is less reliable than knowledge and recollection.
280558 -        ref OF 6 3900
280560 -         ..
280561 -        No evidence is cited to support this proposition.
280563 -         ..
280564 -        Phaedrus concurs with Socrates, without citing evidence or
280565 -        analysis to compare human memory with writing.  POIMS adds this
280566 -        analysis. ref OF 9 3742
280568 -         ..
280569 -    7.  Socrates feels that writing is like painting; and maintains
280570 -        that painters do not answer questions constructively.  He says
280571 -        the same may be said of speeches.  You would imagine that they
280572 -        had intelligence, but if you want to know anything and put a
280573 -        question to one of them, the speaker always gives one unvarying
280574 -        answer. ref OF 6 3705
280576 -         ..
280577 -        And when they have been once written down they are tumbled
280578 -        about anywhere among those who may or may not understand them,
280579 -        and know not to whom they should reply, to whom not: and, if
280580 -        they are maltreated or abused, they have no parent to protect
280581 -        them; and they cannot protect or defend themselves. ref OF 6
280582 -        2077
280583 -
280584 -           History has not sustained this view; indeed, it goes to the
280585 -           distinction between writing merely to record events, and
280586 -           history that provides context by adding "intelligence" to
280587 -           information, as explained in POIMS. ref OF 9 0561
280589 -            ..
280590 -           Under this theory, Socrates wisdom would have been lost to
280591 -           the ages upon his death.  Since it survives 2000 years later
280592 -           by virtue of alphabet technology, this provides evidence
280593 -           supporting Theus' assessment. ref SDS 0 0783
280594 -
280596 -  ..
280597 - Phaedrus does not address the question of balance between speech and
280598 - writing set out in POIMS. ref OF 9 5106
280600 -  ..
280601 - Was Plato taking this occasion to set down the argument against
280602 - writing by the dominate cultural imperative of his day that relied
280603 - primarily on speech?
280605 -  ..
280606 - Wilson points out that Plato does not distinguish his views from those
280607 - of Socrates. ref OF 3 4977
280609 -  ..
280610 - A recent reviewer of Eric Havelock seems to maintain that Plato argues
280611 - for literacy and against oral communication, mainly poetry as a memory
280612 - device in his day. ref OF 1 8991  This is also reviewed on 991108
280613 - concerning the alphabet. ref SDS 16 0788
280614 -
280615 -
280616 -
280617 -
280618 -
280619 -
280620 -
280621 -
2807 -