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S U M M A R Y


DIARY: April 25, 2018 11:45 AM Wednesday; Rod Welch

VA Orthopedics meeting Doctor Thuillier on MRI feet and knees on 171229.

1...Summary/Objective

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1...Need the name of these socks.
2...Doctor Thuillier will order PRP injection treatment, and recommend

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0404 - Summary/Objective                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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040501 - Follow up ref SDS 27 0000. ref SDS 26 0000.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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0408 - Background                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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040901 - On 180105 1321 letter to Doctor Thuillier in VA Orthopedics notified                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
040902 - have been unable to download radiologist report on MRI of both feet                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
040903 - performed on 171229. ref SDS 23 O46F  Further explained plan on                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
040904 - driving to VAMCSF to get the report from VA Release of Information                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
040905 - (ROI). ref SDS 23 I492  Also planned to schedule meeting with Doctor                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
040906 - Thuillier for review results of MRI studies on feet and knees. 180105                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
040907 - 1321, ref SDS 23 I495                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
040909 -  ..
040910 - On 180108 letter to Doctor Thuillier reported PRP treatment in both                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
040911 - feet and both knees on 180105 1630, ref SDS 24 HP5O, and related                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
040912 - research indicating PRP yields measurable increase in minisucs                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
040913 - cartilage over 6 months. ref SDS 24 JX67                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
040915 -  ..
040916 - On 180110 1100 meeting Doctor Thuillier. ref SDS 26 JN9H                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
040918 -  ..
040919 - On 180423 0908 called Jane and scheduled meeting with Doctor Thuillier                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
040920 - on 180425 1145. ref SDS 27 OL9L                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
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0410 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
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0412 - Progress                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
0413 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
041301 - Agenda...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
041302 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
041303 -    1.  Plantar plate tear right foot - seems healed treated with PRP                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
041304 -        injections on 170726 1600, ref SDS 5 PP4N, and again on 170816                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
041305 -        1400. ref SDS 6 VO3F                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
041307 -         ..
041308 -        On 12 mile hike this morning, only few instances of pain level                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041309 -        2 on plantar plate tear location, and lasted only few steps.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
041310 -        For 99.9% of hike, there was no pain in right foot plantar                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
041311 -        plate tear, which previously was debilitating.  See case study                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041312 -        dated, 180101 0820, ref SDS 21 GG7N                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
041314 -  ..
041315 - Doctor Thuillier was pleased with healing of plantar plate tear                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
041316 - diagnosed with MRI study on 170412 0800, ref SDS 4 JG52, and shown                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
041317 - again in follow up MRI on 171229 0900. ref SDS 20 JG52                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
041319 -  ..
041320 - The doctor said plantar plate injuries are very difficult to heal, so                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041321 - progress in this case indicates strong response to treatment with PRP                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041322 - injection therapy.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
041323 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
041325 -         ..
041326 -    2.  Examine treatment schemes to protect blisters and calluses for                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041327 -        hike this morning.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
041329 -         ..
041330 -        Any ideas for improvement?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
041332 -  ..
041333 - Doctor Thuillier approved use of toe caps recommended by Mark Wachter                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041334 - at On-the-Run, to protect against blisters and tension tears from                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
041335 - hiking long distances.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
041337 -  ..
041338 - The doctor also approved using similar gel-like pads held with white                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
041339 - tape to protect Tailor's bunyon on left foot.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
041341 -  ..
041342 - He further approved weaving felt/wool cloth strips between toes to                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
041343 - transfer pressure from balls of feet to toe muscles.  Wrapping the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
041344 - cloth strip above the long toe applies plantarflexion to reduce                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
041345 - pressure on plantar plate tear, and further reduces halux valgus                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
041346 - pressure on big toe.  All implementing the doctor's guidance on                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
041347 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
041349 -         ..
041350 -    3.  Feet "fat pad" injury (metatarsalgia) recovery, explained by                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
041351 -        Doctor Thuillier on 180110 1100. ref SDS 26 Y45H                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
041353 -         ..
041354 -        Hoka Bondi 5 Wide shoes have "plush" cushioning, which                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
041355 -        supplements and protects fat pads on balls of feet, reported on                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
041356 -        170929 1010. ref SDS 9 TZ5H                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
041358 -         ..
041359 -        Orthotic inserts supplement shoe "plush" cushioning, also                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
041360 -        explained on 170929 1010. ref SDS 9 TZ56                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041362 -         ..
041363 -        Double wool socks enhance feet care.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
041365 -  ..
041366 - Doctor Thuillier examined shoes and orthotic inserts worn today.  He                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
041367 - feels "Hoka Bondi 5" shoes and "Satallite Elite" orthotic inserts                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
041368 - provided by "On-the-Run" shoe store on referral from Doctor Tang in                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
041369 - Podiatry at VAMCSF, have high-level cushioning that reduces rate of                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
041370 - degrading innate "fat pads" on balls of feet from hiking 11 - 15 miles                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
041371 - per day.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
041373 -  ..
041374 - These biomechanics compliment medical treatment with PRP injections                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
041375 - that stimulate collagen to maintain feet elements required for hiking                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041376 - 11 - 15 miles per day.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
041378 -  ..
041379 - The doctor examined both feet and noted "fat pads" seem in good shape,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
041380 - still soft and spongy today after hiking 900 miles since PRP treatment                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
041381 - on 180105.  Moreover, there is no dryness, cracking nor peeling that                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
041382 - has occurred previously from dehydration, caused by high doses of PPI                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041383 - and statin medications, which caused excessive urination.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
041385 -  ..
041386 - Doctor Thuillier mentioned an enhanced type of wool sock may further                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
041387 - improve feet care.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
041389 -  ..
041390 - Need the name of these socks.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041391 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
041393 -         ..
041394 -    4.  Burning sensation in balls of both feet, mostly right foot,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
041395 -        reflect continually degrading fat pads from extended endurance                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041396 -        exercise hiking 11 - 15 miles per day.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
041397 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
041398 -              F:\05\00003\SM\CC\BNKG\120216cc\130101cc\hiking_miles_3.xlsx                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
041400 -         ..
041401 -        This injury arises after hiking a few miles, and then subsides                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041402 -        about mile 5, before starting a 1-mile uphill climb on Crystal                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041403 -        Ranch Road.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
041405 -         ..
041406 -        Acetaminophen combined with small dose of ibuprofen, since                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
041407 -        normal dose of NSAID reduces effect of PRP, provides pain                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
041408 -        management for 15 mile hikes, started a week or so ago on                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
041409 -        180421.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
041411 -         ..
041412 -        Need more collagen production -- PRP injection treatment to                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
041413 -        reduce reliance on medication.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041415 -  ..
041416 - Doctor Thuillier indicated reduced reliance on medication for pain                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
041417 - relief, particularly hydrocodone is preferred line of care.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
041418 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
041420 -         ..
041421 -    5.  MRI exam on 171229 - any indications that guide where PRP                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
041422 -        injections would be most beneficial?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
041424 -         ..
041425 -        Right knee Pain in going uphill.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
041427 -         ..
041428 -        Left knee pain in going downhill - going uphill theraputic.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
041429 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
041431 -  ..
041432 - Doctor Thuillier looked briefly at MRI study on 171229.  In the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
041433 - limited time available he did not see anything that would guide PRP                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
041434 - injections toward evident injured tissue.  He was pressed for time,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
041435 - because of a surgery scheduled in 30 minutes, so he may be able to                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
041436 - look more closely on Friday.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
041438 -  ..
041439 - Have hiked 1,000 miles since the MRI on 171229, including 10% running                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041440 - and sprinting, there may be new injuries that require another MRI                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
041441 - study to locate.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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041443 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
041444 -    6.  Benefits walking 11 - 15 miles per day.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
041445 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
041446 -        Prior to CABG x4 on 091022, patient hiked about 2 miles per                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
041447 -        day, i.e., 3 - 6 miles per day, 4 - 6 days a week.  This only                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
041448 -        achieved HDL 30, well below target of HDL 60+ needed to prevent                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
041449 -        CAD.  HDL 30 required heart surgery at age 64.  Hiking at these                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
041450 -        levels caused neither feet nor knee injuries.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
041452 -         ..
041453 -        Besides coronary deficits, patient also suffered declining                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
041454 -        eyesight, e.g., unable to read standard 12-point font common to                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
041455 -        newspapers and magazines like Time, Newsweek, etc.  Patient                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
041456 -        further had severe pain sitting on hard surfaces like a park                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
041457 -        bench.  Rising from sitting position caused spinal pain.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
041459 -         ..
041460 -        Apart from sitting, patient further had occasional hip and                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
041461 -        back pain from standing.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
041463 -         ..
041464 -        After CABG x4 on 091022, patient increased hiking to 6 - 11                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
041465 -        miles per day, still 4 - 6 days per week.   HDL remained below                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041466 -        50, well below 60.  On 131125, research found that hiking can                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
041467 -        raise HDL, so increased hiking to 11 miles per day, 7 days a                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
041468 -        week.  Within 2 months, on 140201, VA lab reported HDL 61.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
041470 -         ..
041471 -        Since then hiking has varied due to feet and knee injuries, but                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
041472 -        has held HDL 55 - 73, now hiking 11 - 15 miles per day for                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
041473 -        several weeks in a row, then days off due to injuries.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
041475 -         ..
041476 -        With increased circulation, shown by CCTA on 151019, and                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
041477 -        numerous brain MRIs in 2016, vision has improved remarkably,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
041478 -        hip and back pain have resolved, and loss of muscle mass from                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
041479 -        sarcopenia has not occurred, further suggesting telomeres have                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041480 -        been maintained or extended with extended endurance exercise.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
041481 -        Equally, blood pressure and heart rate declined.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
041483 -  ..
041484 - Doctor Thuillier noted significant medical benefits of composite care                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041485 - in this case.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
041487 -  ..
041488 - It should be interesting to discover the full range of medical                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
041489 - benefits that derive from extended endurance exercise, here hiking,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
041490 - made possible with PRP care.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
041491 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
041493 -         ..
041494 -    7.  VA order continuing PRP injections to maintain hiking line of                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
041495 -        care.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
041497 -  ..
041498 - Doctor Thuillier will order PRP injection treatment, and recommend                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
041499 - payment by VA for essential care not available at the VA.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
041501 -  ..
041502 - We need to develop protocols and work history on amount and locations                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041503 - of injections correlated with response to treatment following care.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
041505 -  ..
041506 - Pain management through local and general anesthetic, e.g., conscious                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
041507 - sedation.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
041509 -  ..
041510 - The doctor said he will write the order on Friday, 180427, and will                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
041511 - submit copy to the patient.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
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