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DIARY: January 6, 2017 09:08 AM Friday; Rod Welch

Hoka request assistance stretching Stinson 3 shoes because too narrow.

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Hoka Stinson 3 ATR Shoes Return Too Narrow Do Not Fit Order #1484333                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
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3404 - Summary/Objective                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
3405 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
340501 - Follow up ref SDS 26 0000. ref SDS 25 0000.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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3408 - Background                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
3409 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
340901 - On 160423 bought pair of Tor Summit Mid WP shoes high top. ref SDS 7                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
340902 - E56N Later that day, called Hoka back and bought pair of low top Tor                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
340903 - Summit WS. ref SDS 7 D47H                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
340905 -  ..
340906 - On 160613 received letter from Savannah confirming telecon to return 3                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
340907 - pair Hoka Stinson 3 shoes for credit, and that she would monitor the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
340908 - return to issue credit back to credit card when the shoes are received                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
340909 - by Hoka. ref SDS 12 TK6O                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
340911 -  ..
340912 - On 160613 shipped the shoes to Hoka, and sent letter confirming                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
340913 - shipment for credit. ref SDS 12 NA8L                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
340915 -  ..
340916 - On 160708 1127 sent letter to Hoka asking about credit of $501.39 for                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
340917 - 3  pair Hoka Stinson 3 shoes returned due to defective heel design.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
340918 - ref SDS 13 006Q  Called Hoka and talked to Lydia; she said credit of                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
340919 - $501 for returning 3 pair Hoka Stinson 3 shoes was converted to gift                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
340920 - card. ref SDS 13 LJ3K  Received letter from Savvanah saying same                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
340921 - thing, that customer has gift card on account for $501.39. ref SDS 13                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
340922 - L16L  Received letter from Lydia explaining in detail the entire                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
340923 - transaction and confirming customer has credit of $501.39. ref SDS 13                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
340924 - MJ6G                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
340926 -  ..
340927 - On 160809 1032 called Hoka and placed order # 	14843332 for 1 pair                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
340928 - Stinson 3 ATR shoes to test them for being wide enough to prevent                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
340929 - prior feet injury problems. ref SDS 15 006Q                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
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340932 - On 160810 0664 received Hoka order #14843332 Stinson 3 ATR shoes                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
340933 - placed day before on 160809 1032, ref SDS 15 556I, to test them for                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
340934 - being wide enough to prevent prior feet injury problems. ref SDS 16                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
340935 - 006Q                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
340937 -  ..
340938 - On 160910 0746 received refund $501 for returning 3 pair Hoka Stinson                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
340939 - 3 shoes size 10.5, and because the shoes were too narrow which caused                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
340940 - severe injuries. ref SDS 21 006Q                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
340942 -  ..
340943 - On 161125 placed Order # 15510099 for Hoka Stinson 3 shoes size 11.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
340944 - ref SDS 22 XG6L                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
340946 -  ..
340947 - On 161125, received new Hoka Stinson 3 shoes. ref SDS 23 Z86J                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
340949 -  ..
340950 - On 161204 tried Hoka Stinson 3 shoes size 11 on 6 mile hike, reported                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
340951 - in case study on 160101 0700. ref SDS 4 ZX8L  Metatarsalgia and right                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
340952 - knee pain seemed much less. ref SDS 4 DI3H  However, near the end                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
340953 - about mile 5, began feeling pain in left side of left foot.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
340954 - ref SDS 4 DB6H                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
340956 -  ..
340957 - On 161205 submitted letter to Savannah at Hoka requesting advice on                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
340958 - stretching Hoka Stinson 3 shoes size 11.5 to prevent injuries to feet.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
340959 - ref SDS 24 BC4X                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
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340962 - On 161207 received letter dated 161206, from Savannah at Hoka making                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
340963 - referral to Noah for suggestions on stretching Hoka Stinson 3 shoes.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
340964 - ref SDS 25 RQ9J                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
340966 -  ..
340967 - On 170105 0895 submitted letter to Noah at Hoka asking about                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
340968 - stretching Stinson 3 shoes because forefoot is too narrow. 170105                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
340969 - 0849, ref SDS 26 006Q                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
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3412 - Progress                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
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341301 - Today, received letter from Noah at Hoka saying...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
341302 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
341303 -    1.  Subject:  [Deckers Brands] Re: Re: Order 15510099 Adjust Stinson 3 Shoes                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
341304 -        Date:  2017-01-06 07:22                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
341307 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
341308 -    2.  ##- Please type your reply above this line -##                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
341310 -         ..
341311 -    3.  Your request (3377849) has been updated. To add additional                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
341312 -        comments, reply to this email.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
341314 -         ..
341315 -    4.  Noah Pappano (Hoka One One US)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
341317 -         ..
341318 -    5.  Jan 6, 07:22 PST                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
341319 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
341320 -        Hoka Footwear                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
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341323 -    6.  Dear Rod,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
341325 -         ..
341326 -    7.  Thank you for contacting Hoka ONE ONE!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
341328 -         ..
341329 -    8.  I agree with Savannah that there is no method for stretching                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
341330 -        the shoe's toe box; any attempt would likely damage it.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
341331 -        However, since you've enjoyed the cushioning and need a more                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
341332 -        accommodating fit, I'd recommend the Bondi 5. It was updated                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
341333 -        with a wide toe box, wider than Stinson 3, and is our most                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
341334 -        cushioned shoe. Stinson 3 is our second most cushioned shoe.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
341336 -  ..
341337 - Noah responds to the letter submitted to him at Hoka yesterday on                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
341338 - 170105 0849. ref SDS 26 006Q                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
341340 -  ..
341341 - Noah further refers to Savannah's letter received on 161207 1132.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
341342 - ref SDS 25 006Q                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
341344 -  ..
341345 - Hoka letter continues...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
341346 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
341347 -    9.  If we can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
341348 -        to contact us!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
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341351 -   10.  Noah                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
341352 -        Hoka ONE ONE Customer Experience Representative                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
341353 -        Deckers Brands                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
341354 -        Phone 866-491-3125                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
341355 -        FAQ                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
341356 -        Hoka ONE ONE FacebookHoka ONE ONETwitter                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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341359 -   11.  Hoka ONE ONE Womens ShoesHoka ONE ONE Mens Shoes                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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341701 - Sent letter to Noah at Hoka with copy to Savannah also at Hoka, and                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
341702 - saying...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
341703 -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
341704 -    1.  Subject:  Re: [Deckers Brands] Re: Re: Order 15510099 Adjust Stinson 3 Shoes                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
341705 -        Date:  2017-01-06 09:36                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
341707 -        To:  Hoka One One US                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
341708 -        CC:  Savannah Laughter                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
341710 -         ..
341711 -    2.  Dear Noah,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
341713 -         ..
341714 -    3.  Thanks for your letter explaining Hoka Stinson 3 shoes cannot                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
341715 -        be stretched to provide variabile width across forefoot, an                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
341716 -        issue referred by Savannah in earlier correspondence, shown                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
341717 -        [...above, ref SDS 0 DL5P...].                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
341719 -         ..
341720 -    4.  On your recommendation to try Bondi shoes, previously Nathaniel                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
341721 -        recommended this model.  Purchased a pair on Feb 8th,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
341722 -        ref SDS 5 H73K, and tried them on Feb 22nd. [...case study on                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
341723 -        160101 0700. ref SDS 4 B17I...].  Here is the diary on                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
341724 -        results...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
341726 -         ..
341727 -        "Concord 10 mile route #1, did extra 1 mile at the end.  Energy                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
341728 -        better today time 1.25 miles 18 minutes. Calves pain level 0                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
341729 -        entire route.  Feet hurt wearing new Hoka Bondi shoes, possibly                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
341730 -        tied too tight.  After 5 or 6 miles this problem resolved.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
341731 -        Bondi shoes have thick soles, but seem stiff and hard -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
341732 -        board-like - with little rebound energy.  There is no bounce,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
341733 -        compared to Hoka Stinson shoes that drive the pace on 11 - 15                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
341734 -        mile hikes. Maintained pace on Clayton and starting Ygnacio                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
341735 -        Valley Road; time to 4.25 miles 71 minutes.  Right knee pain                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
341736 -        level 0 starting, after mile 3 pain level 2 rest of route.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
341737 -        Increased pace going uphill to summit Ygnacio Valley Road.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
341738 -        Lower back pain level 2 entire route 20% of route.  Tried                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
341739 -        sprinting across Cowell about 30 yards, and did not experience                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
341740 -        right knee pain - very positive.  Hike today was best for right                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
341741 -        knee - pain level 1 10% of route.  Left hip pain level 1 entire                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
341742 -        lap 20% of route.  Maintained pace on downhill past summit;                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
341743 -        maintained pace on Oak Grove. Increased pace going uphill on                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
341744 -        Treat.  Energy good at end of hike. Feet hurt wearing Bondi                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
341745 -        shoes.  Blister very bad on right side of big toe on left foot.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
341746 -        Metatarsalgia pain level 0 entire route."                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
341748 -         ..
341749 -    5.  You can see shoes are critical.  The earlier version of Hoka                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
341750 -        Stinson shoes worked perfectly for several years.  Width was a                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
341751 -        slight problem, primarily requiring lambs wool to protect                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
341752 -        against blisters from toes being squeezed together.  Superior                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
341753 -        cushioning of Stinson shoes was essential to protect against                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
341754 -        metatarsalgia (feet injury) and knee pain.  These shoes wore                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
341755 -        out hiking 3K miles per year.  As with other shoe manufacturers                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
341756 -        Hoka stopped making shoes that worked perfectly and offered                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
341757 -        Stinson 3 shoes.  They have not worked out.  Bought various                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
341758 -        sizes up to 2 sizes larger to get wider dimension across                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
341759 -        forefoot.  This hasn't been effective, so inquired about                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
341760 -        stretching.  Your report today, seems to close the book on that                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
341761 -        idea.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
341763 -         ..
341764 -    6.  I was told last June or so, that in October 2016, Hoka would                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
341765 -        start selling Stinson 3's with variable width, but that didn't                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
341766 -        happen.  New Stinson 3's were available in September with                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
341767 -        improved heal lining, but not variable width.  So, hoped                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
341768 -        stretching might work.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
341770 -         ..
341771 -    7.  Your support is appreciated.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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