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S U M M A R Y
DIARY: March 23, 2016 08:37 AM Wednesday;
Rod Welch
C22 Intel request tech support Xeon E5-2690v3 processor #2 overheating.
1...Summary/Objective
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1...What is the "maximum" temperature that Intel tests are below?
2...What are actual temperatures recorded by Intel test that show they
3...Could temperature sensors be defective signaling the fan controller on
4...Why is there no listing of Intel 750 NVMe PCIe 1.2TB SSD installed on
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SUBJECTS
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2203 -
2203 - ..
2204 - Summary/Objective
2205 -
220501 - Follow up ref SDS 32 0000. ref SDS 31 0000.
220502 -
220503 -
220504 -
220505 -
220506 - [On 160324 1118 Asus notified Intel reviewing temperature
220507 - differential problem - processor #1 cool, #2 very hot.
220508 - ref SDS 33 YS64
220510 - ..
220511 - [On 160328 1932 letter from Intel asks if further
220512 - assistance is need on case #00338104. ref SDS 34 SX3F
220513 -
220514 -
220515 -
220516 -
220518 - ..
2206 -
2207 -
2208 - Background
2209 -
220901 - On 160310, report c22 overheating problem. ref SDS 27 6L4N
220902 -
220903 - Examples are listed in the same record. ref SDS 27 GB4M
220905 - ..
220906 - Installed Windows 10 Enterprise on 160308, and immediately suffered
220907 - performance problems with overheatig.
220909 - ..
220910 - Have notified Microsoft, but no response so far.
220912 - ..
220913 - Have contacted Asus, and was notified they are reviewing the problem,
220914 - reported on 160322 1418, ref SDS 31 DQ5J
220916 - ..
220917 - Asus support seems like an appropriate line of inquiry, since Intel
220918 - processors are installed in Asus Z10PE-D8 WS motherboard.
220920 - ..
220921 - On 160322 contacted Intel support for server processors without
220922 - success. ref SDS 32 U46F
220923 -
220924 -
220925 -
220927 - ..
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2211 -
2212 - Progress
2213 -
221301 - This morning made another contact with Intel support, following up
221302 - prior work that was unsuccessful, reported on 160322 2001. ref SDS 32
221303 - OA4K
221305 - ..
221306 - Tried Intel online chat service...
221307 -
221308 -
221309 - http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/contact-support.html
221311 - ..
221312 - Chatting with Warner.
221314 - ..
221315 - Ticket #................. 00338104
221317 - ..
221318 - Explained temperature problems reported on 160310 1207. ref SDS 27
221319 - 6L4N
221320 -
221321 - [On 160328 1932 letter from Intel asks if further
221322 - assistance is need on case #00338104. ref SDS 34 SX3F
221324 - ..
221325 - Warner asked...
221326 -
221327 - Temperature of processors shown in the BIOS.
221329 - ..
221330 - Submitted...
221331 -
221332 - Have to end chat session to shut down and open BIOS to get BIOS
221333 - temperatures.
221334 -
221336 - ..
221337 - Warner asked...
221338 -
221339 - May I have the board model and RAM part number please, the part
221340 - number is a combination of numbers and letters on the RAM module
221341 - itself or proof of purchase (invoice)
221343 - ..
221344 - Submitted...
221345 -
221346 - Motherboard - Asus Z10PE-D8 WS, RAM part # not sure, but
221347 - procurement describes RAM as "Kingston Value RAM KVR21R15D4/16
221348 - 16GB 2133MHz DDR4"
221349 -
221350 - There is a total of 128GB memory in c22.
221352 - ..
221353 - My threshold question is - c22 ran for 6 months without problems
221354 - using Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit. Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB was
221355 - installed on 160308, in order to use NVMe device driver for Intel
221356 - 750 NVMe PCIe 1.2TB SSD and Samsung 950 Pro M.2 NVMe SSD. After
221357 - switching to Windows 10, temperature problem occurred. Is there
221358 - any history at Intel that Windows 10 Enterprise has compatibility
221359 - issues with dual processor E5-2690ve system?
221361 - ..
221362 - Warner said...
221363 -
221364 - No
221365 -
221366 - but you may run the next Intel utility
221368 - ..
221369 - Submitted...
221370 -
221371 - What Intel utility?
221372 -
221374 - ..
221375 - Warner said...
221376 -
221377 - Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool (IPDT)
221379 - ..
221380 - He provided a download site, that yielded...
221381 -
221382 - G:\00\intel\e5-2690v3_diagnostic_utility\IPDT_Installer_3.0.0.25.W_x86_3.0.0.25.W.MP_x64.exe
221383 -
221384 - [On 160324 1118 Asus notified Intel reviewing temperature
221385 - differential problem - processor #1 cool, #2 very hot.
221386 - ref SDS 33 YS64
221388 - ..
221389 - Warner requested BIOS version.
221391 - ..
221392 - Submitted...
221393 -
221394 - BIOS version 3101 dated 151104.
221396 - ..
221397 - Warner says...
221398 -
221399 - ASUS has a newer BIOS for the motherboard... 3204 dated 151208...
221400 -
221401 - http://www.asus.com/us/supportonly/Z10PE-D8%20WS/HelpDesk_Download/
221403 - ..
221404 - Click on BIOS.
221406 - ..
221407 - Submitted...
221408 -
221409 - So, should we stand down while I do this. Work plan is: get BIOS
221410 - update 3204; install it, run Intel diagnostic utility. How do I
221411 - submit results?
221413 - ..
221414 - Warner said...
221415 -
221416 - Update BIOS, and run Intel diagnostic check, per above. ref SDS 0
221417 - QG3K
221419 - ..
221420 - Notify Intel of results in another chat session, citing this ticket
221421 - number, per above. ref SDS 0 ST9G
221422 -
221424 - ..
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2216 -
2217 - 0943
2218 -
221801 - Completed BIOS download at...
221802 -
221803 - G:\00\c22\bios_update\Z10PE-D8-WS-ASUS-3204
221805 - ..
221806 - Copied to USB flash drive.
221808 - ..
221809 - Shut down.
221811 - ..
221812 - Flashed BIOS using dedicated USB port on I/O panel.
221814 - ..
221815 - BIOS now shows...
221816 -
221817 - BIOS version 3204 dated 151208.
221818 -
221819 - [On 160330 0839 on 160330 Intel letter from Warner requests
221820 - submission of c22 sysinfo showing current BIOS version.
221821 - ref SDS 36 7X52
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221823 -
221824 -
221826 - ..
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2221 - 1033
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222201 - Booted system...
222202 -
222203 - Opened BIOS.
222204 -
222205 - Temperatures............ CPU #1 CPU #2
222206 -
222207 - 38c 53c
222209 - ..
222210 - [...below on 160323 0837 at 1034 Intel IPDT64 diagnostic
222211 - utility reports 14 degree differential between processor #1
222212 - and #2. ref SDS 0 TX8L
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222214 -
222216 - ..
2223 -
2224 -
2225 - 1034
2226 -
222601 - Back online.
222602 -
222603 - Speccy reports...
222604 -
222605 - BIOS
222606 - Brand...... American Megatrends Inc (AMI)
222607 - Version.... 3204
222608 - Date....... 2015-12-18
222609 -
222611 - ..
222612 - Installed new Intel utility stored
222613 -
222614 - G:\00\intel\e5-2690v3_diagnostic_utility\IPDT_Installer_3.0.0.25.W_x86_3.0.0.25.W.MP_x64.exe
222616 - ..
222617 - Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool (IPDT)
222618 - Version 3.0.0.25.W.MP 64 Bit
222619 - (ITDT64)
222621 - ..
222622 - Got message program did not run correctly, and to run "Compatibility"
222623 - to resolve the problem.
222625 - ..
222626 - Ran "compatibility" mode.
222627 -
222628 - Welcome to the InstallShield Wizard for Intel Processor
222629 - Diagnostic Tool 64 bit. (ITDT64)
222631 - ..
222632 - Program IPDT installed to...
222633 -
222634 - C:\Program Files\Intel Corporation\Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool 64bit\
222635 -
222637 - ..
222638 - Message...
222639 -
222640 - The InstallShield Wizard has successfully installed Intel
222641 - Processor Diganostic Tool 64bit. Click Finish to exit the
222642 - wizard.
222644 - ..
222645 - Launch the program.
222646 -
222648 - ..
222649 - Got another message...
222650 -
222651 - Sample Production Bit Checker (SPBC) is an additional
222652 - application that Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool uses to test
222653 - if your Intel Processor is an Engineering/Qualification Sample
222654 - processor.
222656 - ..
222657 - For more information see here:
222658 -
222659 - http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/processors/000005719.html
222661 - ..
222662 - Selected...
222663 -
222664 - Yes, to install the diagnostic utility.
222665 -
222667 - ..
222668 - Ran Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool (IPDT) test utility.
222670 - ..
222671 - Intel test report presents initial results for 2 processors...
222672 -
222673 - CPU #1 temp............... 71 degrees below max
222674 - CPU #2 temp............... 57 degrees below max
222676 - ..
222677 - IPDT64 test results for each new run are stored at...
222678 -
222679 - C:\Program Files\Intel Corporation\Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool 64bit\
222681 - ..
222682 - What is significance of 14 degree below max differential?
222684 - ..
222685 - This 14 degree differential between "below max" temperatures for
222686 - processors #1 and #2, aligns with BIOS temperature 15 degree
222687 - differential, per above. ref SDS 0 2S6H
222689 - ..
222690 - Fans RPM began increasing. About 30% into CPU test case began
222691 - vibrating from rising fan RPMs, indicating processor sensors
222692 - and/or motherboard sensors, possibly with OS control, increased
222693 - fan RPM because processor is overheating.
222695 - ..
222696 - Everything passed.
222697 -
222698 - C:\Program Files\Intel Corporation\Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool 64bit\TESTRESULTS.TXT
222700 - ..
222701 - CPU load test temperature all better than 60 degrees below
222702 - max.
222704 - ..
222705 - Intel does not report any actual temperatures.
222706 -
222707 - [On 160329 1120 another failed with Intel Processor
222708 - Diagnostic Tool, indicating erratic results with some test
222709 - runs reporting 60 below max, and others reporting one or
222710 - both processors are 60 degrees hotter doing same test.
222711 - ref SDS 35 SX3F
222713 - ..
222714 - What is the "maximum" temperature that Intel tests are below?
222716 - ..
222717 - Found source on the Internet showing E5-2690v3 max temp = 89.9 (say
222718 - 90) degrees centigrade...
222719 -
222720 - Intel Xeon E5-2699 v3 vs E5-2690 v3
222721 -
222722 - http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-E5-2699-v3-vs-Intel-Xeon-E5-2690-v3
222724 - ..
222725 - Temperature is listed about 50% through the file.
222726 -
222728 - ..
222729 - What are actual temperatures recorded by Intel test that show they
222730 - are "below max"?
222732 - ..
222733 - What temperature represents danger to Xeon E5-2690v3 operations? The
222734 - test report seems to say 1 degree below max. Does this show c22 can
222735 - tolerate much higher loads?
222737 - ..
222738 - Why do fan RPMs increase to the point of vibrating, if the
222739 - temperatures are all below 30 degrees, i.e., 60 degrees below max (90
222740 - degrees).
222742 - ..
222743 - With temperatures below 30, why do fans need to spin at all?
222745 - ..
222746 - What controls fan speed?
222748 - ..
222749 - Could temperature sensors be defective signaling the fan controller on
222750 - the motherboard? Could the controller be defective signalling the
222751 - fans to increase RPMs unnecessarily? Is this another Asus BIOS issue?
222753 - ..
222754 - Research found article...
222755 -
222756 - CPU fan running at full speed in Windows 10
222757 -
222758 - http://www.tenforums.com/performance-maintenance/13547-cpu-fan-running-full-speed-windows-10-a.html
222759 -
222760 - The speed of the CPU fan is controlled not by Windows but by
222761 - the controller on the motherboard and is based on the
222762 - temperature of the CPU.
222764 - ..
222765 - Processors must signal the motherboard controller of current
222766 - temperatures, and the controller increases fan speed to cool
222767 - overheated processors.
222769 - ..
222770 - Is the motherboard controller broke?
222772 - ..
222773 - Is the CPU sensor defective sending inaccurate temperature
222774 - data to the controller?
222776 - ..
222777 - Are the fans defective, substandard for xeon systems, if they vibrate
222778 - while xeon performs within design criteria?
222780 - ..
222781 - Intel's processor diagnostic utility presents no variable guage
222782 - correlating temperatures with cpu diagnostics.
222784 - ..
222785 - Is there a utility available that shows temperature in relation to
222786 - processor use and frequency?
222788 - ..
222789 - Core Temp reported temperatures dangerously above 90 degrees
222790 - and half cores went to 100 - program flashed to stop test.
222792 - ..
222793 - This record indicates Core Temp system monitoring results are not
222794 - reliable for c22 with Intel Xeon E5-2690v3 dual processors.
222796 - ..
222797 - Does Intel offer software, like IPDT....W.MP_x64.exe, that customers
222798 - can use to monitor performance and temperature during routine work,
222799 - like Core Temp?
222800 -
222801 - PCH Test
222802 -
222803 - 1 device connected to PCI Express Port 1
222804 -
222805 - 1 : Samsung NVMe Controller
222807 - ..
222808 - No device connected to PCI Experss Port 2
222810 - ..
222811 - Why is there no listing of Intel 750 NVMe PCIe 1.2TB SSD installed on
222812 - PCI Express Port 1?
222813 -
222814 -
222815 -
222817 - ..
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2230 -
2231 - 2150
2232 -
223201 - Called and talked to Morris. He is already home from teaching at SJS.
223202 -
223203 - Discussed the record today, of conflicting evidence on high
223204 - temperatures for processor #2 on c22 with Windows 10 Enterprise
223205 - installed on 160308, using the Samsung 950 Pro M.2 NVMe 512GB SSD.
223206 - Recalled this did not occur with Windows 7 installed in c22 from
223207 - inception on 150724, using the Plextor M.2 SSD.
223209 - ..
223210 - Morris suggested switching M.2 SSDs to test temperatures with Windows
223211 - 7 compared to Windows 10.
223213 - ..
223214 - Called Morris back and discussed further conflict between Intel
223215 - IPDT64 showing both processors 60 degrees below max, and increased
223216 - fan speed that vibrates the entire case, per above.
223218 - ..
223219 - Broadwater dam suffered fan vibration in 1989. When the hydro
223220 - electric generators were finally powered up, they vibrated so much the
223221 - entire concrete structure shook, and the noise was so loud required
223222 - ear protection go down into the facility. The generators had to be
223223 - removed and rebalanced, and collateral damage repaired, with cost over
223224 - $2M, see the report on 911010 1511. ref SDS 1 0001 The contractor
223225 - explained excessive vibration resulted from trying a new idea with a
223226 - bad design. ref SDS 2 3088
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223228 -
223229 -
223231 - ..
2233 -
2234 -
2235 - 2215
2236 -
223601 - Powered off c22.
223602 -
223603 - Replaced Samsung 950 Pro M.2 NVMe 512GB SSD that has Windows 10
223604 - Enterprise LTSB installed, with Plextor M.2 256GB SSD that has Windows
223605 - 7 installed.
223607 - ..
223608 - Powered up c22 to run Windows 7 on Plextor M.2 SSD.
223610 - ..
223611 - Had to reassign all the drive letters, because Windows 10 Enterprise
223612 - changed them. Windows 7 changed them again. Now they are restored
223613 - and working normally with everything in its place.
223614 -
223615 -
223616 -
223618 - ..
2237 -
2238 -
2239 - 0020
2240 -
224001 - Have now restored Plextor M.2 256GB and am running Windows 7 again on
224002 - c22.
224004 - ..
224005 - Core Temp is running and showing both processors in mid-high 30s.
224006 - This is unusual, because processor #1 is normally in low-mid 20s,
224007 - about 10 lower than processor #2, doing minimal work, like writing up
224008 - the record.
224009 -
224011 - ..
2241 -
2242 -
2243 - 0026
2244 -
224401 - Processor #2 temp has increased to low 40s.
224402 -
224404 - ..
2245 -
2246 -
2247 - 0032
2248 -
224801 - Processor #2 high 20s low 30s.
224802 - Processor #1 mid - high 20s
224804 - ..
224805 - Temperatures are actually pretty close.
224806 -
224807 -
224809 - ..
2249 -
2250 -
2251 - 0039
2252 -
225201 - Now with Windows 7 - Started Passmark Performance Test, and before
225202 - launching the test, noticed that current temperatures on processor #2
225203 - did not immediately increase 20 degrees into the 50s, as occurs with
225204 - Windows 10 Enterprise installed on Samsung 950 Pro NVMe M.2 512 GB
225205 - SSD.
225207 - ..
225208 - Had to launch SDS, and this took 36 seconds, another "miracle" similar
225209 - to launch times after re-installing Windows 7 on 150812, and on
225210 - 160211. ref SDS 10 C56J
225211 -
225212 - [On 160404 0728 improved SDS launch to 28 seconds
225213 - consistently in Windows 7 Ultimate with DOS cmd.exe
225214 - settings Command History buffers size = 230 and buffers
225215 - number = 30. This record indicates that within days of
225216 - installing Windows 7 and Windows 10 something changes
225217 - properties of DOS cmd.exe Command History buffers size = 50
225218 - and buffers number =4 ref SDS 37 XM7M
225220 - ..
225221 - Passmark Performance test was much better with Windows 7 Ultimate
225222 - 64-bit. Fans RPM increased only slightly and with no vibration -
225223 - very quiet, rather than very noisy with Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB.
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