THE WELCH COMPANY
440 Davis Court #1602
San Francisco, CA 94111-2496
415 781 5700
rod@welchco.com
S U M M A R Y
DIARY: May 3, 2013 03:11 PM Friday;
Rod Welch
C21 Fry's SRO 196457 diagnostic report Ascendtech RMA CQ-44797 ordered 368873.
1...Summary/Objective
2...Ascendtech Requests Status Resolving Video Problems C21
3...Diagnostic Findings Video Circuit Board Defective
4...Fry's Quotes $403 Replace Video Card under SRO 196557
5...NVIDIA Video Card Equal or Better Replace ATI Radeon HD 7950 3GB
6...Overclock Video Graphics Circuit Board NVIDIA Twin FrozrIII
7...Twin FrozrIII Support Overclocking Temperature Cooling Feature
8...Refurbish Video Cards Refurbished Only in Factory Special Equipment
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CONTACTS
0201 - Ascendtech, Inc
020101 - Mr. Steve LastName; Technical Agent
020103 - Technical Assistance Department
SUBJECTS
C21 Fry's Findings Defective Video Graphics Adapter Circuit Board Ca
2503 -
2503 - ..
2504 - Summary/Objective
2505 -
250501 - Follow up ref SDS 67 0000. ref SDS 66 0000.
250502 -
250503 - Received letter from Ascendtech asking about progress resolving video
250504 - problems on c21. ref SDS 0 7C7G Fry's called and left message that
250505 - diagnostics determined video card is bad. ref SDS 0 2F6N Drove to
250506 - Fry's and received diagnostic report explaining Fry's installed a
250507 - video card known to be working correctly. This resolved video
250508 - problems in c21, and it then passed all diagnostic tests. ref SDS 0
250509 - 4R8I Fry's does not have in stock a replacement video card, so quoted
250510 - $403 to furnish and install an equal or better component. ref SDS 0
250511 - MV3O
250512 -
250513 -
250514 -
250516 - ..
2506 -
2507 -
2508 - Progress
2509 -
250901 - Ascendtech Requests Status Resolving Video Problems C21
250902 -
250903 - Follow up ref SDS 67 GE4L, ref SDS 66 GE4L.
250904 -
250905 - Fry's plans call to report findings and recommendations to correct
250906 - problems with c21 listed in form submitted to Fry's on 130430 1315.
250907 - ref SDS 65 GG7H
250909 - ..
250910 - Received letter from Steve at Ascendtech saying...
250911 -
250912 - 1. Subject: FW: C21 RMA CQ-44797 Received with Problems
250913 - Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 13:28:39 -0500 1128 PDT
250917 - ..
250918 - 2. Hi
250920 - ..
250921 - 3. This is Steve
250923 - ..
250924 - 4. I was just wondering how everything was going ?
250926 - ..
250927 - 5. Please keep me updated if you have the time ?
250929 - ..
250930 - Steve follows up his letter on 130501 1548, ref SDS 66 024J, asking
250931 - about results of following instructions during telecon the day before
250932 - to correct video problems, reported on 130430 1315. ref SDS 65 155K
250933 -
250934 - [...below on 130503 1511 at 1530 Fry's determined c21 has
250935 - bad video card and quotes $403 to fix the problem by
250936 - installing another video adapter: NVIDIA MSI GTX-660TI
250937 - 3GB. ref SDS 0 4R8I
250939 - ..
250940 - [On 130504 1550 letter submits Fry's report to Ascendtech
250941 - and requests notice of corrective action on defective video
250942 - card. ref SDS 69 GE4L
250943 -
250945 - ..
250946 - Steve's letter concluces...
250947 -
250948 - 6. Thank you,
250949 -
250950 -
250951 - Steve
250952 - Ascendtech Tech Support
250953 - Service: (216) 458-1101
250954 - Support: (216) 458-1104
250955 - Fax: (440) 946-1101
250956 - website: www.ascendtech.us
250957 - Operating Hours: Mon - Fri 9AM - 6PM Est
250958 -
250959 -
250960 -
250962 - ..
250963 - On returning from hiking at Lafayette Reservoir, reported in the
250964 - record on 120101 0900, ref SDS 4 FQ3H, there was a telephone message
250965 - from Dheaa saying c21 passed all tests with another video card
250966 - installed. Fry's concludes the video card should be replaced.
250967 -
250969 - ..
2510 -
2511 -
2512 - 1530
2513 -
251301 - Drove to Fry's. Dheaa,
251302 - had already left for the day.
251304 - ..
251305 - Talked to another service representative...
251306 -
251307 - Jeff
251309 - ..
251310 - Jeff found on the Service Department computer and printed Fry's
251311 - diagnostic report on c21, saying the video card is bad, and that
251312 - installing a new video card fully resolved all performance issues.
251314 - ..
251315 - Asked Jeff for Fry's recommended solution to provide equal or better
251316 - video card?
251318 - ..
251319 - Jeff checked Fry's computer system and discovered Fry's does not show
251320 - current inventory in stock for c21 video graphics care listed in
251321 - original sales order on 130313 1130. ref SDS 39 PUQT
251322 -
251323 - ATI Radeon HD 7950 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI
251324 - Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX
251326 - ..
251327 - Jeff recommended visiting computer sales department and getting
251328 - recommendation from computer sales representative for equal or better
251329 - component.
251331 - ..
251332 - We walked to the computer sales department.
251334 - ..
251335 - The salesman took to a component display shelf for video adapter
251336 - cards and recommended getting...
251337 -
251338 - NVIDIA
251339 - MSI Twin FrozrIII OC Edition
251340 - Geforce GTX 660 Ti 3GB GDDR5 PCI-E 3.0 Support
251341 - DirectX 11
251342 -
251343 -
251345 - ..
251346 - Diagnostic Findings Video Circuit Board Defective
251347 - Fry's Quotes $403 Replace Video Card under SRO 196557
251348 -
251349 - Follow up ref SDS 65 RV4O.
251350 -
251351 - 1. Store............................... 24
251353 - ..
251354 - 2. SRO................................. 196457
251356 - ..
251357 - 3. Date................................ 130503
251359 - ..
251360 - 4. Customer Information
251361 -
251362 - 1. Name............................ redacted
251365 -
251366 - 2. Address......................... redacted
251374 - ..
251375 - 5. For Repair Status Call.............. 925 852 0341
251377 - ..
251378 - 6. Service Information
251379 -
251380 - 1. Checked In By (Assoc #)......... 139860
251381 -
251382 - 2. Time checked in................. 130430 162431
251384 - ..
251385 - 7. Problem Description or Service Request
251386 -
251387 - WON'T POST
251389 - ..
251390 - 8. Problem Resolution or Service Completion
251391 -
251392 - PC has bad video card. [...details of display problems reported
251393 - originally on 130430 1315. ref SDS 65 GG7H...]
251395 - ..
251396 - Problem verified by swapping with known good video card.
251397 - System booted correctly to Windows 7 desktop. Enabled running
251398 - all standard diagnostic tests. PC passed all tests with
251399 - alternate video card.
251401 - ..
251402 - Customer requests quotation price to replace with comparable or
251403 - better. Fry's does not have in stock ATI Radeon HD 7950 3GB
251404 - 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX as
251405 - originally installed, nor any comparable ATI Radeon HD 7950 3GB
251406 - video cards.
251408 - ..
251409 - Fry's quotes $403.28 to furnish and install, tax included
251410 - following video adapter card: NVIDIA MSI GTX-660TI 3GB
251411 - Twin FrozrIII OC edition PCI 3.0 DirectX11.
251412 -
251413 - [On 130504 1550 letter submits this record of Fry's report,
251414 - per above, ref SDS 0 RV4O, to Ascendtech, and requests
251415 - notice of corrective action on defective video card.
251416 - ref SDS 69 GE4L
251418 - ..
251419 - [On 130507 1352 received c21 after Fry's demonstrated
251420 - product defects corrected by replacing video card on SRO
251421 - 196457 after paying $403.28 on invoice 8181114. ref SDS 70
251422 - 5R4G
251424 - ..
251425 - This quote is for video graphics adapter circuit board recommended by
251426 - Fry's components salesman, per above. ref SDS 0 RR69
251428 - ..
251429 - Switching from AMD ATI Radeon HD 7950 to an NVIDIA Twin FrozrIII
251430 - video adapter may solve persistent problems the past 6 month or so
251431 - using the HD 7960 adapter on c18.
251433 - ..
251434 - Fry's SRO 196457 continues...
251435 -
251436 - 9. Service Charges
251437 -
251438 - Diagnostic amount paid.............. $69.99
251440 - ..
251441 - 10. Customer Authorization for Service
251442 -
251443 - Signature
251444 -
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251446 -
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2518 -
251801 - NVIDIA Video Card Equal or Better Replace ATI Radeon HD 7950 3GB
251802 -
251803 - Research on Internet shows...
251804 -
251805 - MSI NVIDIA Geforce GTX 660 Ti 3GB GDDR5 OC
251806 - 2DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort PCI-Express 3.0 Video Card N660TI TF
251807 - 3GD5/OC
251809 - ..
251810 - Twin FrozrIII
251812 - ..
251813 - Chipset: NVIDIA Geforce GTX 660 Ti
251814 - Video Memory: 3GB GDDR5
251815 - Memory Interface: 192-bit
251816 - Bus: PCI-Express 3.0 x16
251817 - Max. Resolution: 2560 x 1600
251818 - Connectors: DVI-I, DVI-D, HDMI, DisplayPort
251819 - Thermal: Fansink (Dual Fans)
251821 - ..
251822 - Amazon................................ $330 (free shipping)
251823 -
251824 - http://www.amazon.com/MSI-DisplayPort-PCI-Express-N660TI-3GD5/dp/B009K1PY42
251825 -
251826 - Post purchase rebate.............. [-20]
251828 - ..
251829 - Have to obtain and submit forms.
251830 -
251831 -
251833 - ..
251834 - Overclock Video Graphics Circuit Board NVIDIA Twin FrozrIII
251835 - Twin FrozrIII Support Overclocking Temperature Cooling Feature
251836 -
251837 - Another source explains MSI NVIDIA Geforce GTX 660 Ti 3GB GDDR5 OC
251838 - support for overclocking...
251839 -
251840 - NVIDIA MSI Twin Frozr OC GeForce GTX 660 Ti 3GB
251841 - PCI-E OC w/ Dual DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort
251843 - ..
251844 - Product Information
251845 -
251846 - http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX42018
251848 - ..
251849 - The new MSI GTX 660 Ti Twin Frozr graphics card based on
251850 - NVIDIA's latest 28nm GeForce GTX 660 Ti GPU, with 3GB of
251851 - memory and PCI Express Gen3 support. The new card features
251852 - the popular Twin Frozr III cooling design with dual 8cm
251853 - fans with Propeller Blade technology, nickel-plated copper
251854 - base, and Superpipe technology. The MSI GTX 660 Ti Twin
251855 - Frozr GPU temperature runs 25°C lower than the reference
251856 - board and noise is reduced by 16.9dB to deliver the best
251857 - thermal and noise performance. The GTX 660 Ti Twin Frozr
251858 - also supports the Afterburner overclocking utility, making
251859 - it simple to adjust the graphic card's power and timing
251860 - for even more performance. With support for NVIDIA 3D
251861 - Vision Surround and a maximum of 4 display outputs on a
251862 - single card, users will be able to enjoy the ultimate in
251863 - gaming and multi-tasking.
251865 - ..
251866 - Twin Frozr III Design Runs 25 C Cooler and 16.9dB Quieter
251867 - than Reference Design
251869 - ..
251870 - Support for MSI's Exclusive Afterburner Overclocking
251871 - Utility
251873 - ..
251874 - The MSI GTX 660 Ti Twin Frozr graphics card supports NVIDIA
251875 - GPU Boost technology to achieve optimal performance through
251876 - dynamic management of operating frequency. When used in
251877 - conjunction with MSI's exclusive Afterburner overclocking
251878 - utility, customize power and timing to maximize
251879 - overclocking potential.
251881 - ..
251882 - Amazon's price of $330 for the part, per above, ref SDS 0 MO7K, is
251883 - comparable to Ascendtech price of $315 for original ATI Radeon HD 7950
251884 - 3GB video card reported on 130313 1130. ref SDS 39 PUQT
251886 - ..
251887 - Certainly don't want to ship c21 back to Ohio and risk more damage in
251888 - transit. We still don't know if overclocking is going to work
251889 - correctly, as it did before shipping back for RMA CQ-44797. Fry's
251890 - says everything at this time tests okay with a good video card, so
251891 - hopefully can simply reset configuration for oc, as on 130404 1453.
251892 - ref SDS 51 XV6I
251894 - ..
251895 - We could buy the part and then ship the original video card to
251896 - Ascendtech for making a claim against the manufacturer, who can
251897 - decide on refurbishing the component.
251899 - ..
251900 - Further research showed 1 customer reporting reliability problems
251901 - with ATI AMD Radeon 7950 video card. Apparently the customer's
251902 - husband played games for extended hours, and within a week or so the
251903 - card failed. There is no explanation of components that failed.
251905 - ..
251906 - Possibly there was a bad memory chip. A circuit connection may have
251907 - broke during shipping.
251909 - ..
251910 - It worked fine when first received on 130404 1453. ref SDS 51 N13N
251912 - ..
251913 - The same card has worked well in c18 for over a year.
251915 - ..
251916 - Possible problems with switching to Nvidia is a new set of video
251917 - drivers, with new screens and new learning curve.
251918 -
251920 - ..
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2522 - 2021
2523 -
252301 - Refurbish Video Cards Refurbished Only in Factory Special Equipment
252302 -
252303 - Called and talked to Morris.
252305 - ..
252306 - He concurred that video cards can shift slightly during shipping, and
252307 - so sometimes display problems are resovled by removing and resetting
252308 - the circuit board in the motherboard slot, as Steve recommended on
252309 - 130430 1315. ref SDS 65 155K Morris said that since this remedy did
252310 - not resolve the problem, also reported on 130430 1315. ref SDS 65
252311 - EQ53, and since Fry's found that replacing the video card fully
252312 - resolved the display problems, the record indicates the video card is
252313 - likely somehow bad.
252315 - ..
252316 - Morris explained the video card can likely be refurbished, but it
252317 - takes special equipment to test and identify the cause of problems,
252318 - and further to make repairs. Typically only original manufacturers
252319 - have this kind of equipment and expertise on hand.
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