THE WELCH COMPANY
440 Davis Court #1602
San Francisco, CA 94111-2496
415 781 5700
rodwelch@pacbell.net
S U M M A R Y
DIARY: October 26, 2007 11:19 AM Friday;
Rod Welch
UCSF demands payment says Medicare should explain UCSF billings to Millie.
1...Summary/Objective
2...Billing Irregularities UCSF Need Referral Coordination Meeting
3...1 Week UCSF Demands Payment Unsubstantantiated Claims
4...UCSF Demands Payment in 1 Week Fails to Justify Amount Claimed
5...UCSF Refuses Explain Charges Refers Patient to Medicare
6...MGBS UCSF Multiple Billings Duplicate Payments by Medicare and Millie
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0403 - ..
0404 - Summary/Objective
0405 -
040501 - Follow up ref SDS 18 0000. ref SDS 13 0000.
040502 -
040503 -
040504 -
040505 -
040506 -
040507 -
040509 - ..
0406 -
0407 -
0408 - Progress
0409 -
040901 - Billing Irregularities UCSF Need Referral Coordination Meeting
040902 -
040903 - On 071024 letter to UCSF asked about progress submitting the total
040904 - claimed for clinical trial services. ref SDS 18 EP4W UCSF was asked
040905 - again to explain the basis of charges, ref SDS 18 EP5T, and UCSF was
040906 - asked for ideas on making interim payment pending resolution of
040907 - Kaiser's failure to perform on the referral agreement. ref SDS 18 EP6P
040909 - ..
040910 - There was an offer to meet and discuss solutions. ref SDS 18 EP6S
040912 - ..
040913 - A major challenge managing UCSF's account at this time is credibility
040914 - of communications and irregular billing practices, reviewed previously
040915 - on 071006. ref SDS 9 454M
040916 -
040917 - 1. Confusing and conflicting charges, reported on 070830.
040918 - ref SDS 4 WU5N Billings without any correlation to services
040919 - provided, e.g., "Account balance transfer......... $1,038.31"
040920 - for invoice 12593370, shown on 070830. ref SDS 4 WO8M
040921 -
040922 - [On 071128 Kaiser Appeals Committee approved payment for
040923 - Millie's care on referral to UCSF. ref SDS 25 JZ5R
040925 - ..
040926 - 2. Presenting interim payment proposal for doctor visits based on
040927 - UCSF marking charges of $110 and variable amount owed by the
040928 - patient of $22 to $27, which is competitive with patient
040929 - copayment for doctor visits to Kasier, ref SDS 4 W141, yet it
040930 - turned out on 071006 UCSF billed doctor visits for additional
040931 - $300, adding over $4,000 for this matter that UCSF indicated on
040932 - 070830 should be charged at $320. ref SDS 9 PRWW Millie's
040933 - leter to UCSF on 071011 reported this new billing discrepency.
040934 - ref SDS 15 K65P
040936 - ..
040937 - 3. Refusing to present a total claim, and instead withholding
040938 - notice of billings by multiple business units, discovered on
040939 - 071006, ref SDS 9 PRWW, confirmed by UCSF on 071010,
040940 - ref SDS 13 OH89,
040942 - ..
040943 - 4. Withholding the basis of charges, see Millie's request on
040944 - 071010, ref SDS 13 HZ9X, and UCSF response later on 071010.
040945 - ref SDS 13 OH7R UCSF repeats refusal today to explain charges.
040946 - ref SDS 0 SU6R
040948 - ..
040949 - 5. Withholding the terms of clinical trial showing what is paid by
040950 - the clinical trial for which the patient is not responsible,
040951 - asked in the letter to UCSF on 071010. ref SDS 13 HZ5U
040953 - ..
040954 - 6. Overcharging 400% in the billing received on 070830, shown by
040955 - revised billing dated 070912, reviewed on 070917. ref SDS 6
040956 - 595P
040958 - ..
040959 - 7. Collection Agency assignment and loss of credit rating
040960 - threatened on 071031 for payment of $202.65. ref SDS 22 KK4I
040961 - No evidence of collection efforts from Kaiser. ref SDS 22 9X7I
040963 - ..
040964 - 8. Termination of treatment threatened on 071031 due to delays
040965 - getting payment from Kaiser of $202.65. ref SDS 22 KM8J
040966 -
040968 - ..
040969 - Bob responded for UCSF to the letter on 071024, ref SDS 18 UW5J,
040970 -
040971 - 1. Subject: [Payment on Account]
040972 - Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:53:43 -0700
040979 - ..
040980 - 2. Good morning Rod.
040982 - ..
040983 - 3. You & Millie assured me that payment in full would be made over
040984 - a week ago on the Facility accounts listed below.
040985 -
040986 - [On 071027 responded to UCSF letter today. ref SDS 19 MH4L
040988 - ..
040989 - 12593370 O BUCK ,MILDRED 03/01/07 01/21/1936 $ 202.65
040990 - 12763636 O BUCK ,MILDRED 04/05/07 01/21/1936 $ 162.12
040991 - 12764302 O BUCK ,MILDRED 05/03/07 01/21/1936 $ 283.96
040992 - 12997805 O BUCK ,MILDRED 07/19/07 01/21/1936 $ 27.88
040993 - 12997886 O BUCK ,MILDRED 06/07/07 01/21/1936 $162.12
040994 - 12997900 O BUCK ,MILDRED 07/05/07 01/21/1936 $173.39
040995 - 12997919 O BUCK ,MILDRED 08/02/07 01/21/1936 $202.65
040996 - 12652072 O BUCK, MILDRED 02/22/07 01/21/1936 $ 22.26
040998 - ..
040999 - 4. I am holding you to your word that prompt payment would be made
041000 - on these accounts *. It is not acceptable to wait for the
041001 - Kaiser hearing.
041003 - ..
041004 - UCSF letter has a footnote below for the "*" in this part of the
041005 - letter.
041007 - ..
041008 - UCSF's position is incorrect, as shown in the footnote below.
041009 - ref SDS 0 VX8O
041010 -
041011 - [On 071027 letter to UCSF reports Millie's consistent
041012 - history of meeting commitments, and explain UCSF
041013 - representation on record in this case is erroneous and
041014 - incomplete. ref SDS 19 MH6X
041016 - ..
041017 - [On 071030 UCSF says disregard demand for payment in 1 week
041018 - of disputed UCSF billings pending dispute resolution by
041019 - Kaiser on paying for referral services. ref SDS 21 WZ5J
041021 - ..
041022 - [On 071031 Millie receives notice dated 071026 UCSF has
041023 - scheduled assignment to a collection agency for payment of
041024 - account 12493370 in the amount of $202.65, ref SDS 23 KK4I,
041025 - reviewed on 070830, ref SDS 4 4P8K, and revised again on
041026 - 070917, ref SDS 6 MK4H; there is no indication of UCSF
041027 - collection efforts against Kaiser who ordered the work; and
041028 - in a separate notice the next day on 071027 UCSF threatens
041029 - that Millie's treatment for cancer ordered on referral by
041030 - Kaiser will be terminated if UCSF does not receive payment
041031 - from Millie, which is owed by Kaiser. ref SDS 23 KM8J
041033 - ..
041034 - [On 071128 Kaiser Appeals Committee approved payment for
041035 - Millie's care on referral to UCSF. ref SDS 25 JZ5R
041036 -
041037 -
041039 - ..
041040 - 1 Week UCSF Demands Payment Unsubstantantiated Claims
041041 - UCSF Demands Payment in 1 Week Fails to Justify Amount Claimed
041042 -
041043 - Bob's letter for UCSF continues...
041044 -
041045 - 5. UCSF Medical Center has provided Millie with Itemized
041046 - Statements that detail what the services received were,
041047 - spreadsheets that showed original charges, Medicare payments &
041048 - Contractual Adjustments & patient responsibility. Payment in
041049 - full is expected within one week.
041051 - ..
041052 - The letter to UCSF on 071024 offered to meet so that UCSF can explain
041053 - its claim, ref SDS 18 EP6S, updating and correcting work during the
041054 - meeting on 070830. ref SDS 4 0001
041056 - ..
041057 - UCSF demand for payment in 1 week refuses a meeting to explains
041058 - charges that substantiate claim against Millie.
041059 -
041060 - [On 071027 patient requests meeting so UCSF can present
041061 - claim, and explain charges. ref SDS 19 CG6H
041062 -
041063 - [On 071029 UCSF refuses to meet; claims suffering from
041064 - delay by patient "stringing out payments. ref SDS 20 6N6K
041065 -
041067 - ..
041068 - Payment is not due until UCSF shows Millie owes payment for medical
041069 - services performed on referral from Kaiser to pay any costs not
041070 - covered by the clinical trial agreed in correspondence between Kaiser
041071 - and UCSF on 061230. ref SDS 1 3X6K This was confirmed by the doctor
041072 - at Kaiser on 070119, ref SDS 2 4R4M, and was confirmed recently by the
041073 - doctor at UCSF on 070906. ref SDS 5 UK5M
041074 -
041075 - [On 071031 UCSF notice treatment for cancer ordered by
041076 - Kaiser will be terminated, ref SDS 23 KM8J; further notice
041077 - UCSF making referral to collection agency for payment of
041078 - $202.65 on Kaiser referral. ref SDS 23 KK4I
041080 - ..
041081 - UCSF itemized statements do not detail clinical trial services for
041082 - which Millie is charged coinsurance, do not show the rate being
041083 - charged, and do not show the patient is not being charged for the cost
041084 - of work covered by the Clinical Trial, as noted by Bob during a
041085 - meeting at UCSF on 070830. ref SDS 4 WU5N
041087 - ..
041088 - UCSF must resolve billing irregularities listed on 071006, ref SDS 9
041089 - 454M, and reviewed again today. ref SDS 0 X18J
041091 - ..
041092 - Bob's letter for UCSF continues...
041093 -
041094 - Payment can be made over the phone (415 673 1113) with a credit
041095 - card or checks for these accounts can be mailed to my
041096 - attention(address listed below). The checks should be made
041097 - payable to UCSF Medical Center. These accounts go back to
041098 - February of this year. As I mentioned before, UCSF Medical
041099 - Center does have a Charity Care program if paying these bills
041100 - is a financial hardship.
041102 - ..
041103 - 6. Millie will receive a refund if Kaiser determines that Millie's
041104 - financial responsibility to UCSF is less than currently stated.
041106 - ..
041107 - UCSF delays and irregularities in billing practices does not show
041108 - convincing evidence of ability to perform on promised refunds.
041109 - ref SDS 0 X18J
041110 -
041111 - [On 071030 UCSF not honoring request for new account
041112 - representative; UCSF Kaiser called to get billing
041113 - information; UCSF tells Millie to disregard prior demands
041114 - for immediate payment. ref SDS 21 WZ5J
041115 -
041117 - ..
041118 - UCSF Refuses Explain Charges Refers Patient to Medicare
041119 -
041120 - Follow up ref SDS 13 OH7R.
041121 -
041122 - Bob's letter for UCSF continues...
041123 -
041124 - 7. Question regarding "the basis of payments" from Medicare need
041125 - to be addressed to Medicare. Your request for my explanation of
041126 - how patient liability for account number 12593370 was
041127 - determined is a question for Medicare, not UCSF.
041129 - ..
041130 - UCSF errs. Millie has no questions regarding payments from Medicare
041131 - to UCSF. Millie asks for the basis of UCSF billings to Millie,
041132 - because review on 070823 showed no correlation between billings and
041133 - services. ref SDS 3 6M46 UCSF confirmed on 070830 there is no
041134 - correlation between charges billed to Millie and services performed by
041135 - UCSF. ref SDS 4 WU5N On 071010 UCSF maintained customers should
041136 - contact 3rd parties for explanation of UCSF billings. ref SDS 13 OH7R
041137 - also cited above. ref SDS 0 5N9L
041138 -
041139 -
041141 - ..
041142 - MGBS UCSF Multiple Billings Duplicate Payments by Medicare and Millie
041143 -
041144 - Follow up ref SDS 13 OH89.
041145 -
041146 - Bob's letter for UCSF continues...
041147 -
041148 - 8. To date, Millie should only be receiving bills/statements from
041149 - two UCSF billing offices, our Patient Financial Services white
041150 - bills for facility charges & the pink bills for physician's
041151 - ProFee(MGBS billing group). MGBS is in the process of
041152 - preparing a spreadsheet for the services Millie received from
041153 - the physicians.
041155 - ..
041156 - On 070830 the UCSF accounting department on Harrison Street in San
041157 - Francisco represented amounts in a new spreadsheet received during a
041158 - meeting as the total UCSF claim to a particular date. ref SDS 4 FS4J
041159 - UCSF claimed total amount owed from 070130 to 070607 was $4,254.12.
041160 - ref SDS 4 L19H UCSF also identified with ink pen notations on the
041161 - spreadsheet the amount claimed against Millie for doctor visits.
041162 - ref SDS 4 VT5W
041163 -
041164 - [On 071031 Millie receives notice dated 071026 UCSF plans
041165 - referral to collection agency for payment of $202.65 on
041166 - Kaiser referral account 12493370, ref SDS 23 KK4I, revised
041167 - 070830, ref SDS 4 4P8K, and revised again on 070917,
041168 - ref SDS 6 MK4H; no indication of UCSF collection efforts
041169 - against Kaiser; separate notice dated 071027 and also
041170 - received 071031 UCSF says Millie's treatment for cancer
041171 - ordered by Kaiser will be terminated if UCSF does not
041172 - receive payment of $202.65. ref SDS 23 KM8J
041174 - ..
041175 - [On 071101 Nancy Baird with MGBS called to request
041176 - assistance with billing for professional services; she
041177 - plans to contact Paula about facilitating UCSF billings for
041178 - referral from Kaiser. ref SDS 24 5R5H
041180 - ..
041181 - Since on 071006 UCSF submitted new invoices for additional charges
041182 - during the same period beginning 9 months earlier, and further claims
041183 - entitlement to additional charges for doctor visits, UCSF must resolve
041184 - uncertainty and confusion in billings by certifiying its total claim
041185 - from all business units, as requested in Millie's letter to UCSF on
041186 - 071011. ref SDS 15 K64T
041187 -
041199 - ..
041200 - Tomorrow, I will pay $1,194.52 at the Business Office on the
041201 - ground floor at UCSF 1600 Division Street, as you instructed
041202 - for the prior payment on September 6th..
041204 - ..
041205 - Bob cites in this footnote Millie's letter on 071010 promising to pay
041206 - UCSF, ref SDS 13 HZ7W, and requested explanation from UCSF that double
041207 - billings discovered on 071006, ref SDS 9 PRWW, were a mistake.
041208 - ref SDS 13 HZ9X
041209 -
041210 - [On 071027 letter to UCSF reports Millie's consistent
041211 - history of meeting commitments, and explain UCSF
041212 - representation on record in this case is erroneous and
041213 - incomplete. ref SDS 19 MH6X
041215 - ..
041216 - UCSF's response letter on 071010 notified that duplicate billings by
041217 - multiple business units were not a mistake, and that Millie would get
041218 - more invoices that have been withheld for past work. ref SDS 13 OH89
041220 - ..
041221 - Millie therefore told UCSF the next day on 071011 that she would delay
041222 - interim payment until clafification of UCSF's total claim could be
041223 - discussed with the doctor in a meeting scheduled for 071018.
041224 - ref SDS 15 K69X
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041226 -
041227 -
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041231 -
0413 -