THE WELCH COMPANY
440 Davis Court #1602
San Francisco, CA 94111-2496
415 781 5700
rodwelch@pacbell.net
S U M M A R Y
DIARY: October 22, 2007 08:51 AM Monday;
Rod Welch
Millie asks N&P for legal support resolve billing dispute with Kaiser.
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0404 - Summary/Objective
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040501 - Follow up ref SDS 12 0000, ref SDS 11 0000.
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0408 - Progress
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040901 - On 071010 Millie received a letter dated 071006 from Paula notifying
040902 - that Kaiser has initiated internal administrative review by an MCRC
040903 - Appeals Committee of Kaiser's failure to pay for prescribed treatment.
040904 - ref SDS 10 TH8L Paula advised in her letter on 071006 that the
040905 - Appeals Committee will have a meeting on her case withing 60 days, and
040906 - that Millie can appear or be represented to explain patient history.
040907 - ref SDS 10 813X
040909 - ..
040910 - Millie has not actually filed an appeal. Paula is a senior case
040911 - manager with MCRC. Paula called on 071006 and reported receiving a
040912 - fax of 50 pages of background records, ref SDS 9 Z87L, which were
040913 - referenced in a letter sent to CMS on 071002, ref SDS 8 KA5J, and
040914 - asking whether Medicare law prohibits Kaiser from paying for
040915 - prescribed treatment. ref SDS 8 OY4Q
040917 - ..
040918 - The propspect of appearing before a hearing raises questions of
040919 - representation and preparation.
040921 - ..
040922 - Inquiries were made on 071010 for representation and to get
040923 - information about the level of preparation required for making an
040924 - appearance. ref SDS 11 X58I
040926 - ..
040927 - Geoffrey White, Esq, was the only person who could discuss HMO,
040928 - Medicare insurance law; he agreed consult via email on the issue.
040929 - ref SDS 11 X58I
040931 - ..
040932 - On 071015 a call back from an attorney's office who had considered the
040933 - case provided additional legal support sources. ref SDS 12 G25I
040935 - ..
040936 - Additional calling eventually led to an organization calling back and
040937 - saying that if Kaiser failed to pay for prescribed treatment on
040938 - referral to UCSF, then they would like to be contacted about providing
040939 - legal representation. ref SDS 12 IJ7F
040941 - ..
040942 - We still guidance on preparing for the meeting with the Kaiser Appeals
040943 - Committee, including responding to Paula's letter dated 071006,
040944 - received on 071010. ref SDS 10 TH8L
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040947 - Millie wrote to her boss at N&P saying...
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040949 - 1. Subject: Medical Payment Issue Kaiser
040950 - Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:07:20 -0700
040957 - ..
040958 - 3. Hi - Chris has kept me up on things at the office. Thanks to a
040959 - new kind of treatment since January, I am stronger now, and
040960 - thinking of returning to work. The doctor wants to see a
040961 - consistent pattern to release me for regular duty. Keeping my
040962 - fingers crossed.
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040965 - This aligns with the letter to UCSF on 071019, ref SDS 13 JC6X, and to
040966 - Kaiser later today. ref SDS 14 X442
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040969 - Letter to N&P continues...
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040971 - 4. I'm hoping you can point me in a direction within the firm for
040972 - comment on a payment dispute with Kaiser. I realize this is
040973 - not your bailiwick, but any thoughts are greatly appreciated.
040974 - It's a little complicated, and N&P may have a conflict, if they
040975 - represent Kaiser. I will understand if I strike out on this.
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040977 - [On 071112 called Sonia; she plans to review Millie's issue
040978 - in the next few days and respond to the letter on 071022.
040979 - ref SDS 15 MF7O
040981 - ..
040982 - [On 081112 Millie requests support for helping Kaiser
040983 - approve Millie's next treatment at UCSF. ref SDS 16 I06J
040985 - ..
040986 - 5. Briefly, on Jan 5, 2007 my doctor prescribed treatment at UCSF
040987 - in a clinical trial. The doctor made arrangements on Dec 30,
040988 - 2006 in correspondence (email) with UCSF for Kaiser to pay any
040989 - costs not covered by the clinical trial. ref SDS 1 PK68 My
040990 - treatments started on Feb 1, ref SDS 3 0001, and after a month
040991 - or so, weekly treatments proved very effective. [reported on
040992 - 070308. ref SDS 4 0001]
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040995 - 6. Eight months later, in August, I started getting a lot of
040996 - invoices backdated to Jan [reported 070823, ref SDS 5 X16N]
040997 - that add up to about $10K per year above my insurance premiums
040998 - to Kaiser. [reported on 070830, ref SDS 6 W05N] I was told by
040999 - UCSF that Kaiser refused payment, because I am a Kaiser Senior
041000 - Advantage patient. Kaiser maintains people over 65 who are
041001 - automatically covered by Medicare can "self-refer" to
041002 - participate in clinical trials that advance medical science, so
041003 - they don't have to pay for prescribed care by Kaiser.
041004 - ref SDS 6 IR4F] After this all happened in August, I started
041005 - checking, and in September found that Kaiser had sent out an
041006 - insurance booklet in January with "evidence of coverage" (EOC).
041007 - [reported 070927, ref SDS 7 166L] The EOC says in section 7 on
041008 - page 68 that patients can "self-refer" to clinical trials
041009 - anywhere in the country and without doctor approval [see
041010 - ref SDS 7 1G4O] in order to advance medical science, [see,
041011 - ref SDS 7 OU84] but have to pay 20% coinsurance. ref SDS 7 1F67
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041014 - 7. Of course I had never seen this because Kaiser all along for 6
041015 - years had prescribed treatment in clinical trials and paid all
041016 - the costs. [see case study on 070830, ref SDS 6 LQ5I] When the
041017 - doctor did the same thing this past January, I had no reason to
041018 - doubt his prescription by looking into the general clauses on
041019 - page 68 of the insurance policy. I relied on my doctor to
041020 - review requirements and prescribe treatment, as specified in
041021 - Section 2 of the EOC. [reviewed on 070927, ref SDS 7 WS6M]
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041024 - 8. The dispute centers on "self-refer." Can Kaiser's requirement
041025 - to provide necessary care in section 2 of the EOC be avoided
041026 - simply by prescribing treatment on referral to clinical trials,
041027 - and then say the patient "self-referred", when the doctor made
041028 - the referral? While $10K is small potatoes for N&P, it has big
041029 - potential for Kaiser. If Kaiser's position stands, it provides
041030 - a path for transferring huge costs from Kaiser insurance
041031 - revenues to Medicare and to the patient by prescribing
041032 - treatment in clinical trials.
041034 - ..
041035 - 9. The case seems to present possibly 16 issues. [listed on
041036 - 070927. ref SDS 7 WU6M
041038 - ..
041039 - 10. Kaiser has scheduled me for a hearing at a Regional Appeals
041040 - Committee within 60 days of October 6th, as set out in a letter
041041 - I received. ref SDS 10 TH8L
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041044 - 11. As you can see, I have not actually submitted a request for an
041045 - appeal, because Kaiser has never said anything directly to me
041046 - about "self-refer". ref SDS 10 O94J Kaiser has sent me about
041047 - 60 letters saying they refuse payment to UCSF because the
041048 - doctor did not submit authorization for treatment. On January
041049 - 19th the doctor sent me a letter saying authorization was
041050 - submitted. ref SDS 2 4R4M So, evidently, someone higher up
041051 - pulled the doctor's authorization, and I have not officially
041052 - been told why, i.e., what authority countermands the doctor's
041053 - order for treatment, and why wasn't this disclosed in January
041054 - before costs were incurred?
041056 - ..
041057 - 12. This raises concern of getting caught up in big time medical
041058 - machinations, i.e., way over my head.
041060 - ..
041061 - 13. I'm wondering if anyone on our team has experience with these
041062 - hearings, and can offer pointers for appearance. Do I need
041063 - representation, can I call witnesses, should I submit a
041064 - prepared statement, that sort of thing. Has anyone researched
041065 - Medicare law on clinical trials, or is this a new area coming
041066 - up that Kaiser is positioning to handle the baby boomers?
041067 -
041068 - [On 071112 called Sonia; she plans to review Millie's issue
041069 - in the next few days and respond to the letter on 071022.
041070 - ref SDS 15 MF7O
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041073 - 14. Again, I realize N&P may not be able to help.
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041401 - Millie received a reply from Sonia saying...
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041403 - 1. Subject: Medical Payment Issue Kaiser
041404 - Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:17:17 -0400
041408 - ..
041409 - 2. Hi Millie,
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041412 - 3. I'll take a closer look at this later today and do some
041413 - investigating. I'll get back to you soon. Hope to see you
041414 - back here soon!!!
041415 -
041416 - [On 071112 called Sonia; she plans to review Millie's issue
041417 - in the next few days and respond to the letter on 071022.
041418 - ref SDS 15 MF7O
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