CONTACTS 

SUBJECTS
Update SDS Program Contacts System Improved

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0504 - Summary/Objective
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050501 - Follow up ref SDS 6 0000.
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0508 - Progress
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050901 - Submitted an email to Gary notifying of an SDS update available on the
050902 - Internet which has improvements to the Contact system, reported on
050903 - 050422. ref SDS 8 0001
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050906 - Provided examples of usage, reported, also, on 050422. ref SDS 8 VG7F
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SUBJECTS
Bible Religion Resisted for Explaining Linking Citations Alignment A
Religion Science of Life

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120601 -  ..
120602 - Bible Religion Resisted for Explaining Knowledge Civilization
120603 -
120604 - Follow up, ref SDS 7 TM9Q
120605 -
120606 - Received ref DRT 1 0001 from Gary responding to letter this morning
120607 - with notice of an SDS update, and which further requested peer review
120608 - for corrections and making improvements to the new explanation of
120609 - meditation in NWO, reported in the record on 050405. ref SDS 7 TM9Q
120611 -  ..
120612 - Gary says...
120613 -
120614 -    1.  Nits [on additions to NWO explaining cognitive science on
120615 -        meditation and prayer from a religious tradition]
120616 -
120617 -           After http://www.welchco.com/03/00050/01/09/03/02/03/0309.HTM#OT8G
120619 -            ..
120620 -           relms s/b realms
120622 -         ..
120623 -    2.  In both relms (on the job, and in religion), reliance on
120624 -        traditional practices for deep understanding and problem
120625 -        solving are strengthened by new practices in a new world order
120626 -        that otherwise escalates error and hides opportunity by
120627 -        compressing time and distance
120628 -
120629 -            [...see below responded and explained this para was edited
120630 -            to reduce the length of sentences, and segmented into
120631 -            several more para. ref SDS 0 927Q
120633 -            ..
120634 -           s/b [like]
120636 -         ..
120637 -    3.  In both relms (on the job, and in religion), reliance on
120638 -        traditional practices for deep understanding and problem
120639 -        solving are strengthened by new practices in a new world order
120640 -        that compress time and distance, thereby reducing escalation
120641 -        error and revealing hidden opportunities.
120642 -
120643 -           At http://www.welchco.com/03/00050/01/09/03/02/03/0309.HTM#25TH
120645 -            ..
120646 -           ofen s/b often
120648 -         ..
120649 -    4.  At the part in NWO that says...
120651 -            ..
120652 -           The Bible is therefore a powerful way to advance
120653 -           civilization. ref OF 12 JR4H
120655 -         ..
120656 -        You have established the value of agreed upon values and
120657 -        standards for behavior, but the conclusion regarding the Bible
120658 -        is too limited based on the arguments leading up to it. *Any*
120659 -        set of values held in common would do as much - the Vedas, the
120660 -        Torah, the Koran, the Book of Mormon, the Communist Manifesto,
120661 -        the Constitution of the United States, the oral traditions of
120662 -        the Vikings and the American Indians, Codes of Conduct, Mission
120663 -        and Vision Statements, contracts (tying back to law), ...
120664 -        ref DRT 1 QK7L
120666 -         ..
120667 -    5.  There is some question as to the value that the Koran and the
120668 -        Communist Manifesto have had in advancing civilization, but the
120669 -        both match the criteria give so far.  The conclusion doesn't
120670 -        seem to me to be justified by the argument. ref DRT 1 TP8O
120672 -         ..
120673 -    6.  Also, this is part of what has turned people off in the past.
120674 -        It is one thing to address the impact of alphabet technology on
120675 -        the advance of civilization.  It is clear that Agreements as to
120676 -        standards of acceptable behavior is a cornerstone of
120677 -        civilization.  Unfortunately, the disagreements over which
120678 -        cornerstone is the right one have nearly defeated the value of
120679 -        having them over time. ref DRT 1 KQ9K
120681 -         ..
120682 -    7.  If you are going to continue to use religion as a comparison, I
120683 -        suggest that you broaden your use of the term.  The elements of
120684 -        1) codification, 2) agreement, 3) periodic reinforcement
120685 -        (services), 4) persistence, 5) linking to provide a "chain of
120686 -        evidence", are all of value, and are to be recommended in
120687 -        business every much as in churches, which is the entire point.
120688 -        When the wording is such that it appears to be recommending
120689 -        religious practice as opposed to carrying elements found to be
120690 -        effective in religion into business, many people (including me)
120691 -        tend to object. ref DRT 1 VQ4I
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121001 - Submitted ref DIT 1 0001 responding to Gary's analysis in his letter
121002 - received today, and shown above. ref SDS 0 4J7M
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121004 -    1.  Thanks for feedback on recent changes to NWO, shown in your
121005 -        letter today. ref SDS 0 8Z4N
121007 -         ..
121008 -    2.  I took a crack at breaking up some of the longer sentences in
121009 -        the para you cite, ref SDS 0 8Z6X, and further created a new
121010 -        para, so hopefully this reads better. ref OF 12 OT8G  Please
121011 -        advise. ref DIT 1 TP6F
121013 -         ..
121014 -    3.  I tried to call and discuss your concerns.  Since you could not
121015 -        take a call, this letter presents some talking points.
121016 -        ref DIT 1 UP6M
121017 -
121018 -        a.  Addressing the Bible cannot be too far afield in a paper
121019 -            with the title "New World Order Needs Old Time Religion."
121020 -            ref OF 10 0001
121022 -             ..
121023 -        b.  Apart from literation, your point presents another in a
121024 -            long list of knowledge dilemmas. ref DIT 1 GQ7J  I have no
121025 -            doubt that the Bible continues to have a powerful influence
121026 -            on the advance of civilization both for practices it
121027 -            embodies and inculcates in practitioners, and for rules to
121028 -            live by, beginning with the 10 commandments.  In fact, the
121029 -            implied "first" rule to write the rules down, is a big
121030 -            plus.  Since human biology is fixed over long time spans,
121031 -            ref OF 12 5839, "wisdom" worked out for many millennia
121032 -            remain useful guidance for human relations, as set out in
121033 -            NWO. ref OF 12 LA9O
121035 -             ..
121036 -        c.  Guidance in the Bible can be reached independently,
121037 -            however, people don't live long enough to work everything
121038 -            out in the absence of prior art. ref DIT 1 GT8J  I agree
121039 -            with your point that other writings have helpful guidance,
121040 -            e.g., Magna Carta, Constitution, Koran, et al. ref SDS 0
121041 -            815S
121043 -             ..
121044 -        d.  Recently research showed that Senge at MIT got involved
121045 -            with Presencing, ref DIT 1 G09P, which has a foundation in
121046 -            spirituality, reported on 050322. ref SDS 5 XL30  Further
121047 -            review showed that Senge emphasizes "commitment" needed for
121048 -            transformation. ref SDS 5 XN80  I am aware of this
121049 -            requirement from experience helping people discover SDS,
121050 -            summarized pejoratively as "SDS takes more than 20 minutes
121051 -            to learn to save lives, time, and money," illustrated by
121052 -            the record on 890809. ref SDS 1 E564  My sense is that much
121053 -            of the Bible is directed toward growing commitment to
121054 -            practice based on faith.  Covey's work makes this point on
121055 -            meeting the challenge of forming habits for good
121056 -            management, reviewed on 921205. ref SDS 2 4803  An appeal
121057 -            to faith is therefore appropriate to attract people with
121058 -            capacity for strong commitment, as Senge seems to have in
121059 -            mind, again reviewed on 050322. ref SDS 5 KL41
121061 -             ..
121062 -        e.  Experience shows that people of Christian faith are
121063 -            disappointed by the explanation of religion in NWO that
121064 -            seems too secular, which complements concerns you raise
121065 -            today that NWO seems too "religious." ref DIT 1 JU4I
121067 -         ..
121068 -    4.  Working out a theory of knowledge that fits the experience of
121069 -        religion with the rigor of science (cognition) is not easy, but
121070 -        it is helpful for designing useful tools and deploying them
121071 -        usefully. ref DIT 1 LL4N  To achieve this goal, would it help,
121072 -        with the problem you see, to revise the following line...
121073 -
121074 -            "The Bible is therefore a powerful way to advance
121075 -            civilization."
121076 -
121077 -        ...shown in NWO. ref OF 12 25TH
121078 -
121079 -            [On 050526 letter to Ross linked to this record that
121080 -            analyses religion. ref SDS 9 644T
121082 -         ..
121083 -    5.  If you have time, please read the next few para, and the
121084 -        Conclusion at the end of the piece.  Let me know if we can make
121085 -        more clear that the "power" of the Bible in this context makes
121086 -        sense. ref DIT 1 UL6H
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