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DIARY: July 22, 2000 12:51 PM Saturday;
Rod Welch
Joe Ransdell reviews cause of resistance to questioning per Socrates.
1...Summary/Objective
2...Wisdom, Religion, Science of Life
....Wisdom is a cognitive process of recognizing cause and effect over
3...Turning Out the Lights, Knowledge Feared More than Ignorance
4...Knowledge Management Delimma Questions Feared Delay Action
5...Questions Essential to Grow Knowledge, Resisted Because Delay Action
6...Scientific Process Inquiry Evolved Socrates Process of Questioning
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CONTACTS
0201 - Texas Tech University O-00000761 0504
020101 - Mr. Joseph M. Ransdell; Associate Professor O-00000761 0504
020103 - Department of Philosophy O-00000761 0504
SUBJECTS
Plato, Socrates Wisdom
Science of Life, Wisdom, Long Term Cycles
Science Life Religion Wisdom Long Term Cycles
Uncommon Sense Wisdom Religion Long Term Cycles Pattern Recognition
Improve Not Enough Time to Learn about Saving Time Money Using SDS
Sunshine Profits Good Times Improvement Not Needed Bad Times No Time
Grasshopper Ant Sunshine Profits Money Coming In Conceals Danger Pre
Sunshine Profits Pay Experiment Innovations
Ant Grasshopper Sunshine Profits Invest Experiment Better Methods Co
Investigate Research Study Experiment New Methods Reduce Costs Improv
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1813 - Summary/Objective
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181401 - Follow up ref SDS 89 0000, ref SDS 88 0000.
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1817 - Progress
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181803 - Wisdom, Religion, Science of Life
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181805 - Received ref DRT 1 0001 from Joe advising he is reviewing the NWO...,
181806 - ref OF 2 0001
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181808 - He has about 2 pages to go working carefully on the material to
181809 - identify the main ideas.
181810 -
181811 - [On 000724 received analysis from Joe on NWO... ref SDS 90 0002
181813 - ..
181814 - Joe seems to commend SDS for supporting methods of controlled analytic
181815 - dialog developed by Socrates, ref DRT 1 5925, and which led to
181816 - scientific process of inquiry, per Joe's letter on 000716. ref SDS 83
181817 - 0785
181819 - ..
181820 - Socrates invented philosophy as a religious activity.
181821 -
181822 - What though is "religion" and "religious" activity...
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181824 -
181825 - Discovery of the science of life??
181826 -
181828 - ..
181829 - Socrates asked questions, particularly about knowledge of how to live
181830 - well, not with factual knowledge or scientific theoretical knowledge.
181831 - That is, he is concerned specifically with wisdom, which is knowledge
181832 - about how to live. ref DRT 1 6478
181833 -
181834 - Review on 900303 showed SDS may augment or otherwise support
181835 - wisdom, common sense and intuition. ref SDS 1 4856
181837 - ..
181838 - On 941021 identified religion as the science of life. ref SDS 7
181839 - 6789
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181842 - ..
181843 - Wisdom is a cognitive process of recognizing cause and effect over
181844 - long time spans: years, decades, centuries, as shown in NWO,
181845 - ref OF 2 5024, that extends beyond knowledge of causal
181846 - relationships for near term matters that dominate attention because
181847 - they occur frequently, and so present immediate opportunities and
181848 - dangers.
181850 - ..
181851 - Much, perhaps all, of existence is cyclical, discussed previously
181852 - on 941021. ref SDS 7 6789 On 000515 review of Mary Keeler's work
181853 - on Charles Peirce's philosophy focused on the role of time in human
181854 - thought, where the awareness of the present is consciousness of the
181855 - recent past. ref SDS 62 5282
181856 -
181857 - [On 040613 discussed with Patty. ref SDS 91 H04L
181859 - ..
181860 - We observe the cycles of sun, moon, life, death, triumph and
181861 - tragedy; someone in the family or in school explains correlations,
181862 - and we encounter some in books, all providing an alert to cycles
181863 - which we eventually encounter in our own experience. Many cycles
181864 - are evident in our biology in a way that we eventually experience
181865 - them directly. A few are of a longer time sweep, and/or of
181866 - seemingly minor impact with the result that our lives seem
181867 - unaffected, particularly by cycles of the kind that relate to human
181868 - feelings that accumulate like stored potential energy, and, also,
181869 - lead people to associate in community. These longer biological
181870 - cycles are the source of wisdom, i.e., someone notices that conduct
181871 - that seems not to cause any harm, actually turns out to cause a lot
181872 - of problems through a complex web of cyclical reactions that mask
181873 - cause and effect. Tying cause together with effect takes "wisdom,"
181874 - to recognize causation that is otherwise concealed by complexity
181875 - and disparity in time between events. Since our most important
181876 - subject is life, and the safety of our family and community, wisdom
181877 - is associated with living life, but I suspect the same long term
181878 - cycles occur in most everything.
181880 - ..
181881 - Seems like Mythology and Judeo-Christian biblical stories exemplify
181882 - this pattern. Over a long time, folks recognized that basic dos
181883 - and don'ts align better with cycles that impact living together.
181884 - They wrote it up, and added words of encouragement suitable to the
181885 - audience of the time, because absent a little exeraggeration,
181886 - people who do not have direct experience with the need for
181887 - constricting certain conduct, will not heed mere admonition of
181888 - danger that is not plainly in view.
181890 - ..
181891 - Joe explains the Greeks identified the so-called "Seven Sages" of
181892 - remote antiquity, to represent "wisdom," because they were regarded as
181893 - the founders of great communities, like Athens or Sparta. ref DRT 1
181894 - 2310
181896 - ..
181897 - Just counted and noticed there are 7 figures on my home page...
181898 - Menelaus, Paris... Agamemnon. I found this image reviewing Greek
181899 - mythology last year. ref SDS 34 2356, It seems to reflect wisdom,
181900 - so I positioned the 7 sages image to overloook on the home page an
181901 - image of the Roman colosium that is empty. This reflects the
181902 - challenge of conveying wisdom. Not a lot of people are paying
181903 - attention, to larger forces, because near-term issues take up a lot
181904 - of time on the information highway.
181906 - ..
181907 - Joe lucidly culls an important lesson from Plato's presentation of
181908 - Socrates...
181909 -
181910 - Whenever people think that they really have it all figured out,
181911 - they are in their greatest danger since their arrogance and pride
181912 - will embolden them to enterprises which are bound to be
181913 - disastrous because they have abandoned all real forethought,
181914 - which requires constant and unending critical self-reflection.
181915 - Things change, inevitably, and as they change understanding, if
181916 - it becomes fixed and unchanging, becomes more and more false to
181917 - the realities. ref DRT 1 6762
181919 - ..
181920 - This supports the cycle theory of "wisdom," above, recognizing that
181921 - conduct, which accomodates a short term cycle, may well conflict with
181922 - a much longer term cycle. ref SDS 0 776L We figure out the short term
181923 - cycle, and are then blinded by near-term success to consequences that
181924 - are farther ahead.
181926 - ..
181927 - It's like the story of the ant and the grasshopper, that prevents
181928 - successful companies from investing sunshine profits to discover and
181929 - develop disruptive technologies, discussed on 990527. ref SDS 28 4720
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SUBJECTS
Questions Resisted Delays Action, Deferred Reward
Questions Delay Action, Cause Resistance
Reward Deferred or Immediate Conversation or Reflectoin KM Delimma
Feedback Critical to Communication
Questions Critical to Communication Grow Knowledge
Questions Resisted Defer Rewards Delay Action
Turn Out the Lights, Rejecting SDS Record
Questions Feared Doubts Competence, Defer Action
Deferred Reward Feared Feedback, Questions Delay Action
Questions Resisted Delays Action, Deferred Reward
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301302 - Turning Out the Lights, Knowledge Feared More than Ignorance
301303 - Knowledge Management Delimma Questions Feared Delay Action
301304 - Questions Essential to Grow Knowledge, Resisted Because Delay Action
301305 -
301306 - Joe seems to set out a general negative perception of questions as
301307 - implying a defective condition, e.g., something is missing, rather
301308 - than as an effort to understand, expand and refine knowledge through
301309 - feedback, explained in POIMS. ref OF 1 3774
301311 - ..
301312 - Joe notes that answers, by contrast, seems complete.
301314 - ..
301315 - Joe proposes inverting that valuation and recognize that questions are
301316 - more valuable than answers, and that, indeed, the best way to regard
301317 - an answer is to make use of it as something that enables you to raise
301318 - a new question. ref DRT 1 1242
301320 - ..
301321 - Why is there such animosity to questions and questioning?
301323 - ..
301324 - Joe explains that questions disrupt action, can even lead to paralysis
301325 - that forecloses action. ref DRT 1 1260
301326 -
301327 - This comes up all the time, for example on 961017. ref SDS 17 1127
301328 -
301329 - POIMS explians the biological drive for survival creates a strong
301330 - preference to take action rather than be delayed for deliberation
301331 - to answer questions. ref OF 1 SK7L
301333 - ..
301334 - Resistance to feedback asking questions causes people to "turn out
301335 - the lights" for example on 961206, ref SDS 18 5002, and is
301336 - explained in NWO, ref OF 2 2670
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301339 - ..
301340 - Our dilemma as human beings is that if we act without questioning we
301341 - are likely to act stupidly and disastrously, but if we stop to
301342 - question we are unable to act at all, which can be equally disastrous.
301343 - ref DRT 1 6408
301344 -
301345 - This is another dimension of the "knowledge management dilemma"
301346 - that involves time, complementing the aversion to feedback, which
301347 - none-the-less is critical to ensure accuracy, and expand
301348 - understanding, set out in the record on 000720, ref SDS 88 2960
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SUBJECTS
Scientific Method of Inquiry Evolved from Socrates Asking Questions
Scientific Process Inquiry Evolved Socrates Controlled Dialog Questio
Science Process of Inquiry, Peirce, Ransdell, 000716
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340601 - ..
340602 - Scientific Process Inquiry Evolved Socrates Process of Questioning
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340604 - Follow up ref SDS 83 4641.
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340606 - Joe points to the success of civilization as evidence that the method
340607 - of questioning Socrates developed over two millinnea ago, is effective
340608 - for continual learning, since it led to the modern scientific process
340609 - of inquiry. ref DRT 1 4896
340611 - ..
340612 - On 000716 Joe explained the scientific process, ref SDS 83 0785, which
340613 - aligns with SDS and Communication Metrics. ref SDS 83 4641
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340615 - This aligns with KM Conference on 991217 citing civilization shows
340616 - cost benefits of investing intellectual capital. ref SDS 38 T93H
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