CONTACTS 
0201 - Bootstrap Institute                  510 713 3550
020101 - Mr. Douglas C. Engelbart, Ph.D.
020102 - doug@bootstrap.org

SUBJECTS
OHS/DKR Meeting at SRI 000427

0403 -    ..
0404 - Summary/Objective
0405 -
040501 - Follow up ref SDS 23 0000, ref SDS 18 0000.
040502 -
040503 - Did not attend the meeting.  Received account from people who did
040504 - attend.
040505 -
040506 -     [On 000512 received letter from Eric. ref SDS 28 0001
040507 -
040508 -
040509 -
040510 -
040511 -
040512 -
0406 -

SUBJECTS
Staff

0504 - Discussion
0505 -
050501 -  ..
050502 - Introductions - Diverse Skills Focused on DKR Project
050503 -
050504 - Follow up ref SDS 23 2079, ref SDS 18 2079.
050505 -
050506 - No new attendees reported.
050507 -
050508 -
050509 -
050510 -
050511 -
0506 -

SUBJECTS
SRI Organizational Platform, Project Management
Project Manager
Management and Governance
SRI Organizational Platform, Project Management, 000419
Plan Needed for Guidance
Iverson, Lee Assigned Full Time by SRI
Kim, Eugene Assigned PM by Doug
Project Management
Compiler for Augment to Create Modern OHS
Kim, Eugene No Official Standing as Project Management and Governance

1913 - Discussion
1914 -
191401 -  ..
191402 - Project Management, Eugene Kim Assigned
191403 - Assignments - Eugene Kim Provide Project Management Support
191404 -
191405 - No discussion on SRI role for organizational platform reported on
191406 - 000419. ref SDS 8 1540
191407 -
191408 - No discussion on Lee Iverson's role assigned full time to project by
191409 - SRI on 000504. ref SDS 23 7743
191410 -
191411 - Eugene Kim was assigned to perform project management for maintaining
191412 - progress of the work.  This aligns with Doug's presentation on 000427
191413 - to implement the Guide to Running NICs that captures the project
191414 - record and obtains feedback for alignment with objectives and
191415 - requirements. ref SDS 18 3995
191416 - ..
191417 - Eugene is not accompanying Doug on the trip to Washington next
191418 - week to help with sponsor outreach, which is the current priority,
191419 - reported on 000419. ref SDS 8 2535
191420 -
191421 -    [On 000515 letter from Jack Park. ref SDS 29 6939
191422 -
191423 -    [On 000518 Doug confirmed he will not have support for the meeting
191424 -    to Washington DC. ref SDS 31 2701
191425 -
191426 -    [On 000601 Pat Lincoln supported Doug on the trip to Washington.
191427 -    ref SDS 32 4877
191428 -
191429 -    [On 010205 Eugene reports he has no official capacity with OHS/DKR
191430 -    project for reviewing project specs. ref SDS 34 BM4F
191431 -
191432 -
191433 -
191434 -
1915 -

SUBJECTS
Sponsor/Stakeholder Planning
Killer Application
Existing Capability, Start with What is Available, 000302
Pilot Test New Capabilities, 000227
Zope Email System, 000427
SlashDot Email System, 000427
ArsDigita Email System, 000427
Document Management
Pilot Test New Capabilities, 000227
Pilot Test Email for Organizing and Thought Tracking, 000428

3113 -
311301 -  ..
311302 - Search for "Killer App" Focuses on Knowledge/Enterprise Management
311303 - Sponsors Looking for Projects in Knowledge Management Arena
311304 -
311305 - Follow up ref SDS 23 4877, ref SDS 18 4877.
311306 -
311307 -    At the end of the meeting on 000413 Eric seemed to indicate plans
311308 -    to consider sponsor outreach and planning for funding at the
311309 -    meeting today, perhaps including results of Doug's meeting with SRI
311310 -    and a major potential sponsor on Monday, 000410, ref SDS 7 4877,
311311 -    which was reported on 000419 to be moved to 000425.
311312 -
311313 -    This task was evidently not done today.
311314 -
311315 -     ..
311316 -    SlashDot, Arsdigita Ruled Out for Project Email Support
311317 -
311318 -    Follow up ref SDS 23 5922, ref SDS 18 5985.
311319 -
311320 -    No evident discussion.
311321 -
311322 -
311323 -     ..
311324 -    Zope Easy to Install, Strong Email for DKR Project
311325 -    Starter Tools for DKR Email, Project Team to Pilot Test
311326 -    Pilot Test Email Programs to Evaluate DKR Starter Technologies
311327 -
311328 -    Follow up ref SDS 23 3944, ref SDS 18 3944.
311329 -
311330 -    No evident discussion.
311331 -
311332 -        [On 000516 Eugene Kim reports Lee Iverson setting up Zope and
311333 -        Wikis. ref SDS 30 4971
311334 -
311335 -     ..
311336 -    Wiki-Style Collaborative Doc Management Supported by Zope
311337 -
311338 -    Follow up ref SDS 23 9000, ref SDS 18 9000.
311339 -
311340 -    No evident discussion.
311341 -
311342 -        Intelligence Gathering Procedure using Zope?
311343 -
311344 -        No evident discussion.
311345 -
311346 -        No record of work using Zope to gather project intelligence.
311347 -
311348 -
311349 -
311350 -     ..
311351 -    JavaCorporate Suite Option for Improving Email
311352 -
311353 -    Follow up ref SDS 23 3338.
311354 -
311355 -    No evident discussion.
311356 -
311357 -
311358 -     ..
311359 -    Zope, JavaCorprate Good Options for Processing XML Structures
311360 -
311361 -    Follow up ref SDS 23 5271.
311362 -
311363 -    No evident discussion.
311364 -
311365 -
311366 -
311367 -
3114 -

SUBJECTS
Sun Microsystems Donated Server Space
Sponsor Outreach, Support, 000324
Web Site Server Vendor
Engelbart, Doug

3907 -
390701 -  ..
390702 - Server Space for DKR Donated by Sun Microsystems
390703 -
390704 - Follow up ref SDS 23 5962, ref SDS 18 5962.
390705 -
390706 - No report of progress using server donated by Sun, per Eric's letter
390707 - on 00042, ref SDS 11 0001
390708 -
390709 -
390710 -
390711 -
3908 -
3909 -

SUBJECTS
Property Rights in Knowledge Organization
Commercial Viability
Ownership Investment Risk
Development Investment Risk

4407 -
440701 -  ..
440702 - Legal Issues Arising from Open Source and Sponsor Support
440703 -
440704 - Follow up ref SDS 23 3055, ref SDS 18 3055.
440705 -
440706 - There was no discussion on getting a license or other standing
440707 - required to operate, noted at the meeting on 000330, ref SDS 6 3995,
440708 - possibly reflecting SRI will provide organizational platform, reported
440709 - 000420, ref SDS 10 6630, and Lee Iverson assigned full-time by SRI
440710 - 000504. ref SDS 23 7743
440711 -
440712 - There was no discussion for licensing options discussed on 000324, and
440713 - submission by Eric Armstrong of license ideas on 000421 ref SDS 11
440714 - 3055
440715 -
440716 -
440717 -
440718 -
440719 -
4408 -

SUBJECTS
OHS Open Hyperdocument System
OHS Editor XML, Requirements, Specs
Traction Journal Management, 000326
WBI Transcoding, IBM, 000324
Crit Team Used Email Instead of Knowledge, 000326
Communication Biggest Risk in Enterprise, Dilemma
Engineering Management
Email Degrades Writing, Understanding
Fast and Easy, Fools Gold, Talking, Listening, Pictures
Email Fast, Easy Like Talking, Fools Gold, Unorganized, Unconn
Williams, Joe
NSF Denied Support, Wanted Definition of Knowledge

6015 -
601501 -  ..
601502 - Project Objective to Produce DKR Capability
601503 -
601504 - Follow up ref SDS 23 2808, ref SDS 18 2808.
601505 -
601506 -
601507 -     ..
601508 -    Knowledge Management Definition
601509 -
601510 -    Follow up ref SDS 23 5555, ref SDS 18 5555.
601511 -
601512 -    On 000504 Eugene Kim submitted explanation of information and
601513 -    knowledge based on his DKR project. ref SDS 22 5003  On 000510 Joe
601514 -    Williams submitted explanation of "knowledge." ref SDS 27 0004
601515 -
601516 -    There was no discussion today of this work in relation to Doug's
601517 -    request on 000307 to develop a work up on knowledge and KM similar
601518 -    to Bellinger, ref SDS 4 4820, and again on 000419. ref SDS 8 4964
601519 -    At the meeting on 000504 Doug related having been denied support by
601520 -    NSF because a proposal did not define "knowledge." ref SDS 23 5555
601521 -
601522 -        [On 000515 Jack Park reports that Mary Keeler will make a
601523 -        presentation to the DKR team based on her work in philosophy
601524 -        that deals with "knowledge." ref SDS 29 0783
601525 -
601526 -    No report on Debra England's suggestion on 000420 for team members
601527 -    to write up the purpose of the project, ref SDS 10 5555, to
601528 -    identify core function of DKR, called out by Eric on 000208.
601529 -    ref SDS 3 8960
601530 -
601531 -    No evident discussion of Eric's submission on 000421, ref SDS 11
601532 -    5933, supplemented on 000423 proposing that the DKR augment human
601533 -    intellignece, ref SDS 14 5933; nor of Adam Cheyer's submission on
601534 -    000424, proposing that Doug's name be incorporated into the project
601535 -    mission statement. ref SDS 15 0002
601536 -
601537 -    Lee Iverson is making progress on using Zope to strengthen project
601538 -    email for correspondence,
601539 -
601540 -
601541 -     ..
601542 -    Editor Based on XML Initial Project Deliverable
601543 -    Collaborative Document System and OHS Supported by Editor
601544 -
601545 -    Follow up ref SDS 23 5880, ref SDS 18 5880.
601546 -
601547 -    No record discussing project specs v0.6, ref DRP 6 0001, issued on
601548 -    000508, ref SDS 25 0782, reviewed in depth on 000505. ref SDS 24
601549 -    8900
601550 -
601551 -
601552 -     ..
601553 -    Atomic Data Structures Derive from Fundamental Information Unit
601554 -    Fundamental Information Unit Focuses DKR Design Effort
601555 -
601556 -    Follow up ref SDS 23 4004, ref SDS 18 4004.
601557 -
601558 -    No evident discussion today of Joe Williams comprehensive
601559 -    presentation on 000420 of DKR and OHS framework. ref SDS 10 4004
601560 -
601561 -    No discussion of atomic data structures submitted by Eric on
601562 -    000423. ref SDS 14 4977
601563 -
601564 -
601565 -
601566 -
601567 -
6016 -

SUBJECTS
Augment, Doug Engelbart's System at SRI Beginning in 1960s
Augment Human Capabilities
Engelbart, Doug
Iverson, Lee
Augment Presentation, Engelbart, Iverson, Williams, Yee, 000420

6708 -
670801 -     ..
670802 -    Augment Project at SRI in 1960s Sets Design Objectives
670803 -    Demonstration for Augment at Future Project Meeting
670804 -
670805 -    Follow up ref SDS 23 5992, ref SDS 18 5922.
670806 -
670807 -    No record of presentation on Augment today, per Eric's letter on
670808 -    000421, ref SDS 11 0001, again on 000423, ref SDS 14 0005, and
670809 -    Jack's report on 000426 that Doug's Augment sets the stage and
670810 -    vision for an effective DKR.
670811 -
670812 -
670813 -
670814 -
670815 -
670816 -
670817 -
6709 -

SUBJECTS
Use Case Method Define Requirement, 00000000
Iverson, Lee
Software Programming Program, Use Case Analysis, 000406

7206 -
720601 -  ..
720602 - Use Case Methods for Software Design
720603 -
720604 - Follow up ref SDS 23 4933, ref SDS 18 4933.
720605 -
720606 - No record discussion Eugene Kim's comprehensive submission on 000504
720607 - suggesting the scope of OHS, and detailing specific use cases that
720608 - improve literacy, supported by Jack Park. ref SDS 22 0784
720609 -
720610 -
720611 -
720612 -
720613 -
7207 -

SUBJECTS
CODIAK Intelligence Capabilities
Guide to Running Nics, 000427

7705 -
770501 -  ..
770502 - Guide to Running NICs Gathers Intelligence, Provides Feedback
770503 - Communication Manager Proposed to Compliment Tools for DKR
770504 -
770505 - Follow up ref SDS 23 3995, ref SDS 18 3995.
770506 -
770507 - Nothing has been submitted responding to the request on 000428 for
770508 - more information on the Guide to Running NICs, ref DRP 3 3000,
770509 - proposed at the meeting on 000427. ref SDS 18 2867
770510 - ..
770511 - No record of work product showing contradictions and prodding of
770512 - contributors to grow knowledge repository's capabilities as we use it,
770513 - also proposed on 000427. ref SDS 18 2867
770514 -
770515 -
770516 -
770517 -
770518 -
770519 -
7706 -

SUBJECTS
WBI Transcoding Vector
WBI 3 Tier Server Architecture, 000427
DirectDom, JDOM Processors of XML DKR, 000427
Park, Jack
WBI Vector Presentation, Engelbart, 000420
Iverson, Lee
Source Development System (SDS) Transcoding, 000511
SDS Source Development System Transcoding, 000511

8911 -
891101 -  ..
891102 - Current Proposal for DKR Transcoding - Complex Process
891103 - Architecture - Three-Tier Server for WBI Implementation
891104 -
891105 - Follow up ref SDS 23 4674, ref SDS 18 4674.
891106 -
891107 - Jack Park and Howard Liu...
891108 -
891109 -        ...reported on a meeting with Doug that developed current
891110 -        proposal for WBI transcoding, per Eric's letter, ref DRP 7
891111 -        0001, to implement the vector presentation Doug made at the
891112 -        meeting on 000427. ref SDS 18 3995
891113 -
891114 -        There does not seem to be express reference to WBI.
891115 -
891116 -           [On 000512 Eric's letter received. ref SDS 28 0001
891117 -
891118 -           [On 000512 Joe Williams understanding of "current proposal."
891119 -           that illustrates complexity of issue. ref SDS 28 4674
891120 -        ..
891121 -        Source documents (HTML, source code, etc.) would be
891122 -        translated into an XML-based OHS format and stored in the OHS
891123 -        repository in that format. [Note: That is the XML model Eric
891124 -        has been assuming.] The documents are then transcoded for
891125 -        display.
891126 -
891127 -            On 000505 v0.5 of editor spec calls for XML based system.
891128 -            ref DRP 5 0150
891129 -
891130 -        Original source documents are viewed as *part* of the OHS,
891131 -        rather than lying outside it. ref DRP 7 6708
891132 -
891133 -           [...below, Eric cites concern about handling changes.
891134 -           ref SDS 0 0784
891135 -
891136 - ..
891137 - Lee Iverson proposed...
891138 -
891139 -        ...a different idea, where the OHS-XML document does not carry
891140 -        the information directly, but instead consists of pointers and
891141 -        links into the original document. The original document remains
891142 -        intact. [That sentiment echoes design concepts proposed in a
891143 -        message by Sandy Klausner.]  Lee further proposed that the
891144 -        source document could be transcoded to produce that "OHS
891145 -        wrapper," rather than translated. ref DRP 7 8188
891146 -
891147 -           [...below, Eric cites concern about handling changes.
891148 -           ref SDS 0 0784
891149 -
891150 -           [On 000605 Eric explains DDOM will automatically incorporate
891151 -           changes to project specs. ref SDS 33 5084
891152 -        ..
891153 -        ...for which Lee proposes that source documents would be
891154 -        under a source control system like CVS or SCCS, and that would
891155 -        make a difference. ref DRP 7 1218  If so, the implications are:
891156 -
891157 -          •  The source documents would have to be under source
891158 -             control. ref DRP 7 3564
891159 -
891160 -          •  The OHS would require detailed understanding of the source
891161 -             control format, and possibly the ability to manipulate it.
891162 -             ref DRP 7 4628
891163 -
891164 -        Source Development System (SDS) supports his solution to change
891165 -        management, ref DRP 7 0900, explained at...
891166 -
891167 -
891168 -             http://sds.sourceforge.net
891169 -
891170 -
891171 -        Definitions:
891172 -
891173 -           A.  Format A is "transcoded" to Format B if you use Format B
891174 -               for a while and then discard it, so you re-access Format
891175 -               A and transcode it again the next time you need it.
891176 -               ref DRP 7 2700
891177 -
891178 -           B   Format B is "translated" to Format B if discard Format A
891179 -               after you are done and use Format B from then on.],
891180 -               ref DRP 7 3245
891181 -
891182 -
891183 - Eric Armstrong proposes...
891184 -
891185 -        ...that the operations on the OHS only take place on documents
891186 -        in OHS-XML format. You make the DTD open, provide email/browser
891187 -        tools, and encourage others to do so as well. The benefit of
891188 -        that proposal is that it simplifies the project.  The potential
891189 -        cost is that because people are not working in their native
891190 -        document format, it reduces participation, possibly to below
891191 -        the desired "critical mass" levels necessary to ensure success.
891192 -        ref DRP 7 5920
891193 -
891194 -        Eric feels Jack and Howard's proposal differs (he thinks) -- in
891195 -        their proposal original source documents are viewed as part of
891196 -        the system.  Eric proposes that original sources are translated
891197 -        one time to get into the system, and after that ignored.
891198 -        ref DRP 7 6708
891199 -
891200 -         ..
891201 -        Managing Changes Major Issue
891202 -
891203 -        The major issue Eric sees with Jack's and Howard's approach,
891204 -        ref SDS 0 5068, (and he has not yet been argued out of) is that
891205 -        of managing change. What happens when the underlying source
891206 -        document changes?  How is the OHS-XML version informed and
891207 -        modified in such a way that any links made to that document
891208 -        remain pointed to their intended targets? ref DRP 7 1980
891209 -        ..
891210 -        Eric see that as the central issue in Lee's proposal, as
891211 -        well. ref SDS 0 8755  How do you reflect document changes in
891212 -        the OHS-XML index of the document?  And for both alternatives,
891213 -        do you allow modifications from within the OHS and, if so, what
891214 -        becomes of the original document. ref DRP 7 3040
891215 -
891216 -           [...above Lee proposes resolution. ref SDS 0 6083
891217 -
891218 -
891219 -     ..
891220 -    Fundamental Issues of DKR Project Focused by DOM
891221 -    DOM (Document Object Model) Uses XML for Doc Management
891222 -
891223 -    Follow up ref SDS 23 3640.
891224 -
891225 -    No evident discussion on DOM and DDOM issue; nor of data base issue
891226 -    with respect to W3C, Python and Java discussed, as well, on 000504.
891227 -    ref SDS 23 3994
891228 -
891229 -
891230 -     ..
891231 -    Augment Data can be Transcoded
891232 -
891233 -    Follow up ref SDS 23 4558.
891234 -
891235 -    No evident discussion on Augment issue.
891236 -
891237 -
891238 -
891239 -     ..
891240 -    Gnutella Eliminates Browser/Server Distinction
891241 -
891242 -    Follow up ref SDS 23 4868.
891243 -
891244 -    No evident discussion on Gnutella issue.
891245 -
891246 -
891247 -
891248 -
891249 -
8913 -

SUBJECTS
Project Planning, Objectives
Plan Needed for Guidance
Management and Governance
Agenda Issues

9407 -
940701 -  ..
940702 - Project "Plan" to Attract Sponsors
940703 -
940704 - Follow up ref SDS 23 6036, ref SDS 18 6036.
940705 -
940706 - There was no discussion of the project plan from work on 000324.
940707 - ref SDS 5 9776
940708 -
940709 - On 000419 Doug announced plans for a trip to Washington for sponsor
940710 - support.  At the meeting on 000420 Eric set objective to provide
940711 - proposal ideas to support Doug's trip, that shows a project
940712 - development plan. ref SDS 10 8667
940713 -
940714 - Proposal ideas for Doug's trip were evidently not discussed today.
940715 -
940716 -
940717 -
940718 -
940719 -
940720 -
940721 -