CONTACTS 

SUBJECTS
Property Rights in Knowledge Organization
Commercial Viability
Ownership Investment Risk
Open Source Development Freeware
Time for DKR Limited, 000423
Participation Rights of Contributors
Decisons on Differences in Design and PM
Grants Research
Awarded $500K for Life Research

1811 -
1811 -    ..
1812 - Summary/Objective
1813 -
181301 - Follow up ref SDS 12 0000, ref SDS 11 0000.
181302 -
181303 - Eric reviews need for revenue to support the project, and that
181304 - leadership must resolve disputes on direction.  Allocation of revenue
181305 - leads contributors to be conservative.  Paul Fernhout submits a
181306 - thoughtful analysis on a wide range of related issues, including prior
181307 - experience with NSF, and recognizing that grant money for research is
181308 - not a dependable source for breakthrough technology that few people
181309 - understand.
181310 -
181311 -     [On 000510 Eric submits follow up. ref SDS 19 4760
181313 -      ..
181314 -     [On 000513 Paul Fernhout submits compromise plan on open source
181315 -     issue. ref SDS 20 0784
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181319 -
181321 -  ..
1814 -
1815 -
1816 - Progress
1817 -
181701 - Open Source Projects Need Revenue to Produce Useful Innovations
181702 -
181703 - Follow up ref SDS 12 0784, ref SDS 11 3055.
181704 -
181705 - Received ref DRT 1 0001 from Eric following up his letter on license,
181706 - revenue and budget issues, ref DRP 1 0001, which he submitted on
181707 - 000423, ref SDS 12 0784, to answer Paul Fernhout's concerns on 000422,
181708 - ref SDS 11 3055, about license ideas proposed on 000421. ref SDS 10
181709 - 3055
181711 -  ..
181712 - Eric notes today several people contributing to the DKR project have
181713 - interesting proprietary work they want to pursue.  Eric wants to work
181714 - in this space more than anything, but no one is funding any of us.
181715 - ref DRT 1 3584
181717 -     ..
181718 -    This reflects planning on budget and participation issues from the
181719 -    project launch meeting on 000324. ref SDS 5 5482
181721 -     ..
181722 -    On 000327 discussed budget objectives with Doug. ref SDS 7 5402
181724 -     ..
181725 -    On 000423 Eric is investing a lot of hours in the project, had to
181726 -    cut back to earn a living. ref SDS 12 7440
181728 -  ..
181729 - Paul Fernhout very late this evening submitted a long, well crafted
181730 - letter relating he and his wife had similar experience that concerns
181731 - Eric, considering pros and cons of releasing six (6) years of of work
181732 - to Open Source. ref DRT 2 0001
181733 -
181735 -     ..
181736 -    Grant Money Rarely Supports Breakthrough Innovations
181737 -
181738 -    Follow up ref SDS 12 3077, ref SDS 11 3900.
181739 -
181740 -    Paul relates have been turned down by NSF for grant, ref DRT 2
181741 -    7920, similar to Welch on 991213. ref SDS 2 0001
181743 -     ..
181744 -    Paul offers compelling analysis showing support for technological
181745 -    advance suffers from the lagging pace of community awareness of new
181746 -    ideas -- especially among conservative PhD academics who decide
181747 -    about most grant making. ref DRT 2 6348
181748 -
181749 -        [On 000510 report that Doug was turned down by NSF. ref SDS 19
181750 -        0784
181751 -    ..
181752 -    He expects that five to ten years from now funding open
181753 -    source projects by the NSF or such will  be common place -- and
181754 -    then all the sharp marketers out there (rarely the Dougs of the
181755 -    world) will get most of the the funds to do stupid things that
181756 -    sound good or reinvent things the Dougs of the world  suffered to
181757 -    create years earlier. (The book, "The Seven Laws of Money" by
181758 -    Michael Phillips has a chapter on why most grants go astray.) The
181759 -    hope is in the 5% of funding that accidentally falls into the right
181760 -    hands (against the best efforts of institutional conservatism to
181761 -    prevent it or ignore it or not understand it) like when J.R.
181762 -    Licklider gave money to Doug in the 1960s. ref DRT 2 4004
181763 -
181764 -       This aligns with analysis on 000422, ref SDS 11 3900, and the
181765 -       next day by Eric on 000423 showing that grants are not an
181766 -       effective source for revenue needed to achieve major KM
181767 -       breakthroughs. ref SDS 12 3077
181768 -    ..
181769 -    Paul relates grant awards are distorted from merit by
181770 -    traditional marketing. ref DRT 2 0882
181772 -     ..
181773 -    Peer review inherently overlooks innovation and rewards what is
181774 -    already accepted. ref DRT 2 1581
181776 -     ..
181777 -    Paul has a deep commitment to Open Source and has paid heavily in
181778 -    time, money, and family impacts, attempting to improve the world
181779 -    with sustainable food production methods. ref DRT 2 4144
181781 -     ..
181782 -    Worldwide dynamics of people, economics and personalities result in
181783 -    there being ample resources for worthwhile projects to be funded,
181784 -    although like life itself, it is difficult to cause things to
181785 -    happen, rather it is more like a lottery or random selection, like
181786 -    the weather. ref DRT 2 4712
181787 -    ..
181788 -    Paul holds that people who can make a substantial
181789 -    contribution to an Open Source projects are able to earn in the
181790 -    market place sufficient resources to support the Open Source
181791 -    effort. ref DRT 2 6048
181793 -     ..
181794 -    Paul relates grant funding that supported Doug's work in years
181795 -    past. ref DRT 2 3538
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SUBJECTS
Grants Research
Awarded $500K for Life Research

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190501 -     ..
190502 -    Doug got recognized after many hard and wearying struggles by a
190503 -    $500,000 Lemelson-MIT prize in 1997. ref DRT 2 5694
190504 -
190505 -    Programming costs $200K+ per year. ref DRT 2 3528
190506 -
190507 -        [On 001107 Doug awarded National Medal of Technology.
190508 -        ref SDS 23 0001
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SUBJECTS
Bootstrap Strategies, 000227
Leadership Shared Vision
Disputes Resolved by Leadership
Open Source Evaluation
Payment Issues Focuses Open Source Efforts on Gaining Advantage, 0006
Bootstrap Improve Improvement Endles Levels of Change Not Effective,
Shared Information Escalates Risk Conflicting Action without Intellig
Collaboration Difficult Everyone Has Different Experience for Alignin
Information Share Resisted, Fear Accountability, Competition
Shared Information Feared Collaboration Impeded Because People Resist
Share Information Code Avoided Collaboration Failing on Open Source P

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491401 -     ..
491402 -    Bootstrap Strategy - Endless Levels of Change Hard to Absorb
491403 -
491404 -    Paul concurs with Doug's goals to augment human capabilities
491405 -    through coevolution of technologies, applying the ABC improvement
491406 -    process reviewed on 991222. ref SDS 3 3961  Paul, also, notes that
491407 -    "endless levels of Bootstrapping is not an effective path to reach
491408 -    those goals, ref DRT 2 1739, which aligns with analysis in another
491409 -    record earlier today. ref SDS 18 1900
491410 -
491411 -          [On 000725 open source and bootstrap discussed with SRI.
491412 -          ref SDS 21 1056
491414 -           ..
491415 -          [On 020530 Paul wants incremental development using bootstrap
491416 -          methods to develop OHS, rather than implement Launch Plan all
491417 -          at once; strategy needs to produce something for credibility.
491418 -          ref SDS 24 WV8Q
491419 -        ..
491420 -        On 000227 Eric Armstrong reviewed Bootstrap strategy.
491421 -        ref SDS 4 0788
491422 -        ..
491423 -        On 000324 Bootstrap strategy requires strong leadership
491424 -        to ensure good management practice is used. ref SDS 5 7482
491426 -         ..
491427 -        On 000326 Bootstrap strategy to use project as case study for
491428 -        developing tools that improve knowledge work. ref SDS 6 5972
491430 -         ..
491431 -        On 000327 discussed Bootstrap methods with Doug. ref SDS 7 8484
491433 -         ..
491434 -        On 000406 Bootstrap project development was explained during
491435 -        meeting at SRI. ref SDS 8 5078
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491439 -    Project Crisis Arises from Lack of Coding
491440 -
491441 -    Paul notes that very little coding has been done, ref DRT 2
491442 -    0429 and ref DRT 2 0817, reflecting a project crisis, Doug cited
491443 -    earlier on 000419. ref SDS 9 5778
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491445 -       On 000505 Paul could contribute by commenting on project specs.
491446 -       ref SDS 17 4864
491447 -
491449 -     ..
491450 -    Open Source Projects Need Leadership
491451 -
491452 -    Paul recognizes that Open Source projects require commitments,
491453 -    leadership and support for marketing to realize Doug's vision,
491454 -    Doug, who brings significant visibility to the project. ref DRT 2
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491458 -  ..
491459 - Sharing Information Collaboration Avoided Open Source
491460 - Open Source Progress Slow Collaboration Sharing Information Avoided
491461 - Progress Slow Open Source People Avoid Collaboration Sharing
491462 - Collaboration Limited by Open Source People Do Not Share Information
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491464 - Eric comments that no one wants to give anything away, because their
491465 - only hope for having the freedom to pursue the paths that need
491466 - pursuing is to garner revenue for the purpose. (Even when we *do*
491467 - share, it's harder than hell to reach agreement on anything.),
491468 - ref DRT 1 8280
491469 -
491470 -          [On 000725 open source and bootstrap discussed with SRI.
491471 -          ref SDS 21 1056
491473 -     ..
491474 -    On 000503 Eric and Jack disagree on scope of initial project
491475 -    effort, showing need for leadership to build common understanding
491476 -    and make difficult decisions. ref SDS 14 5187
491478 -     ..
491479 -    Reluctance to share information that slows open source development
491480 -    was cited in an article published by the Harvard Businss Review in
491481 -    the record on 940510, explaining challenges of selling Lotus Notes
491482 -    for improving collaboration. ref SDS 1 WH6M
491484 -     ..
491485 -    It is curious that the goal of the OHS/DKR project is to improve
491486 -    collaboration, and progress on this goal is made difficult because
491487 -    in many cases people do not want to share information, i.e., there
491488 -    is no market for collaboration.
491489 -
491490 -       [On 060523 doctor resists submitting patient history on
491491 -       examinations to the patient. ref SDS 25 MC6M
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491495 -  ..
491496 - Doug Engelbart Supports Open Source Development
491497 - SRI Plans Revenue IP Based on Open Source Development OHS/DKR
491498 -
491499 - Eric relates Doug is adamant that open source is the only way to go,
491500 - reflecting telecon with Doug on 000327. ref SDS 7 3472  Eric concurs
491501 - that Open Source can be effective, but asks, where does that leave the
491502 - SRI "seed" team?  At SRI they are talking about setting up an open
491503 - source base technology, and building revenue-producing IP on top of
491504 - that.  Eric was one of the first to say, hey, if someone is going to
491505 - start generating revenue, where is mine going to come from? per his
491506 - letter on 000421. ref SDS 10 2790  As much as I freely contribute
491507 - design ideas at this stage, as soon as we started talking about a
491508 - tangible product, I felt myself shifting gears, looking for my
491509 - advantage.  But do we have time for that? ref DRT 1 5328
491510 -
491511 -          [On 000725 open source and bootstrap discussed with SRI.
491512 -          ref SDS 21 1056
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491516 -  ..
491517 - Civilization Depends on Allocating Resources for Solving Big Issues
491518 -
491519 - Eric cites challenge of allocating resources for skills and brains
491520 - that are capable of solving big problems, then there is strong
491521 - possibility that the solutions won't arrive in time. ref DRT 1 1470
491522 -
491523 - Meanwhile, those of us who have something to contribute find ourselves
491524 - lacking either time to do what needs to be done, or financial
491525 - incentive to contribute what amounts to our hope for the future
491526 - (personal future, that is). ref DRT 1 7905
491528 -  ..
491529 - So the question remains: Are we, as a species, in fact capable of
491530 - surviving? Or do personal and societal short-sightedness make it
491531 - unlikely? ref DRT 1 9009
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