CONTACTS 

SUBJECTS
OHS Open Hyperdocument System
XML Editing Capability
Traction Journal Management, 000326

1205 -    ..
1206 - Summary/Objective
1207 -
120701 - Follow up ref SDS 29 0000, ref SDS 20 0000.
120702 -
120703 - Chris responds to Eric's important questions, clarifying that Traction
120704 - is an XML editor, which supports Netscape, and multilevel hierarchy,
120705 - versioning and reduction.  Traction is scoped to projects, so should
120706 - be ideal for the DKR project. ref SDS 0 5271  Eric submits agenda
120707 - proposing further review of Traction, and other pending matters, for
120708 - the meeting on 000420. ref SDS 0 5831
120709 -
120710 - Submitted ref DIT 1 0001 linked to the record on 000413, ref SDS 27
120711 - 0001, Eric's analysis on 000414, ref SDS 29 0001, this record and to
120712 - the record on 000414 showing I will be in trial for the next several
120713 - weeks. ref SDS 28 0001  Cited letter on sponsor outreach on 000407.
120714 - ref SDS 24 0001  Supported Eric's suggestion to try Traction, since
120715 - this will be an easy way for the team to get started on Doug's request
120716 - 000405 to start putting links in email. ref SDS 22 2484
120717 -
120718 -     [On 000420 Eric supplements review commenting Traction does not
120719 -     have a sense of hierarchial documents. ref SDS 30 0001
120720 -
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120723 -
1208 -
1209 -
1210 - Progress
1211 -
121101 -  ..
121102 - Traction Supports Internet Explorer, a Real "Diamond"
121103 - DKR Project Should Adopt Traction for Project Communications
121104 -
121105 - Follow up ref SDS 29 3450, ref SDS 27 4209,
121106 -
121107 - Received ref DRT 1 0001 dated 000416 from Eric Armstrong responding to
121108 - analysis on Traction running under Internet Explorer, set out in
121109 - Eric's letter on 000414. ref SDS 29 8448   Reasons for using Internet
121110 - Explorer are suggested. ref DRT 1 4212
121111 -
121112 -     [...below, Chris clarifies that Netscape is supported. ref SDS 0
121113 -     8448
121114 -
121115 - Eric affirms favorable review on 000414 that recommends the DKR "seed"
121116 - team use Traction to replace email, ref SDS 29 3450, per Doug's plan
121117 - on 000405 for the "seed" team to first use links in email for DKR
121118 - project work. ref SDS 22 2484  Eric's notes today that Traction is the
121119 - closest thing to a usable OHS/DKR he has seen, and solves a lot of
121120 - problems he has been wrestling with. ref DRT 1 8216
121121 -
121122 -     [...below, Eric submits Traction for further review at meeting on
121123 -     000420. ref SDS 0 4176
121124 -
121125 -     [On 000420 Eric supplements review commenting Traction does not
121126 -     have a sense of hierarchial documents. ref SDS 30 0001
121127 -
121128 -     [On 000420 project "seed" team decided at project meeting to use
121129 -     an existing tool for adding linking ability in email. ref SDS 31
121130 -     2537
121131 -
121132 - Received second letter from Eric, ref DRT 2 0001, submitting comments
121133 - from Chris Nuzum to questions in Eric's letter, ref DRP 1 0001, on
121134 - 000414 which reviewed Traction, ref SDS 29 3450, based on the
121135 - presentation Chris gave on 000413. ref SDS 27 4209
121136 -
121137 -
121138 -  ..
121139 - Journaling System Explains Powerful Advantage of Traction
121140 - Explaining Knowledge Management in 25 Words or 30 Seconds is Tricky
121141 -
121142 - Follow up ref SDS 29 5850.
121143 -
121144 - Chris appreciates Eric's analysis on 000414 showing Traction provides
121145 - powerful and useful new capability. ref SDS 29 5850
121146 -
121147 - Responding to Eric's concern that Traction's advantages are not
121148 - conveyed by the explanation of a "journal" system, Chris notes that
121149 - Twisted Systems has worked hard to formulate an effective marketing
121150 - message. ref DRT 2 8964
121151 -
121152 - Chris cites Doug's experience showing difficulty helping people grasp
121153 - new capabilities outside their daily experience, ref DRT 2 9020, e.g.,
121154 - Doug's 1992 paper on groupware, citing "intelligence" collection,
121155 - which was reviewed on 991222. ref SDS 1 8064  More recently on 000327
121156 - Doug's paper in 1972 explained objectives for knowledge management to
121157 - improve handling of daily working information, which has not been
121158 - addressed as yet by the Colloquium. ref SDS 19 3971   On 000407 agenda
121159 - for DKR team to define KM was proposed, ref SDS 24 2805, which
121160 - provides a foundation for learning new advantages of integrating time
121161 - and information, called out in POIMS. ref OF 1 0561
121162 -
121163 -
121164 -       ..
121165 -      Traction Uses XML to Track Ideas, Explore, Collaborate
121166 -
121167 -      Follow up ref SDS 29 8160.
121168 -
121169 -      Chris responds to Eric's comment on desirability of Traction
121170 -      using XML, reported on 000414, ref SDS 29 5796, explaining
121171 -      background of Traction development team was in SGML systems.  He
121172 -      and Greg Lloyd met at EBT, where they worked on DynaText.
121173 -      Traction makes extensive use of XML tools, including Pierre
121174 -      Richard's excellent XML parser and XSL transformer, ref DRT 2
121175 -      5265 -- see
121176 -
121177 -      http://www.jaxo.com
121178 -
121179 -      ...for info on Pierre's current venture, Jaxo.
121180 -
121181 -
121182 -       ..
121183 -      Interface - Internet Explorer and Netscape
121184 -
121185 -      Follow up ref SDS 29 8448.
121186 -
121187 -      Chris clarifies Eric's understanding reported on 000414, noting
121188 -      that he demonstrated Traction using IE 5 on Windows, but it works
121189 -      just as well with IE 4 and Netscape 4.x.  Hit F11 in IE to go to
121190 -      full-screen mode; right-click on the top toolbar and select
121191 -      auto-hide to get rid of it.  Right click on the task bar, select
121192 -      properties, and check auto-hide to get rid of it.  Chris suggests
121193 -      Netscape develop a similar full-screen browsing feature.  It's
121194 -      very addictive. ref DRT 2 7968
121195 -
121196 -
121197 -       ..
121198 -      Editing Flexible, Powerful
121199 -
121200 -      Follow up ref SDS 29 8738.
121201 -
121202 -      Chris answers Eric's question on 000414, ref SDS 29 8738, noting
121203 -      that in Traction you *can* edit the paragraphs.  Next to each
121204 -      paragraph we display a marker, e.g. [04].  It's this marker to
121205 -      which the labels (tags) are attached. ref DRT 2 3332
121206 -
121207 -
121208 -       ..
121209 -      Limitations -
121210 -      Transclusions (Inline Linking), Inclusions, Hierarchy, Reduction
121211 -
121212 -      Follow up ref SDS 29 0006.
121213 -
121214 -      Chris responds to Eric's question on inclusion and Ted Nelson's
121215 -      work, reported on 000414, ref SDS 29 0006, noting...
121216 -
121217 -         Transclude Title
121218 -
121219 -         Until we integrated the XSL transformer, there was a danger of
121220 -         violating the HTML content model when transcluding arbitrary
121221 -         other segments of the journal.  We've come so close to "just
121222 -         doing it", because it's such an appealing feature, but we
121223 -         wanted to make sure it wouldn't cause support problems; you
121224 -         might be surprised at how badly browsers can get wedged when
121225 -         you feed them mangled HTML.  But now we can hardly wait to
121226 -         turn it on!  We do (carefully) already transclude the title
121227 -         when displaying cross-references; when the title is updated,
121228 -         all cross-links will reflect the change. ref DRT 2 0756
121229 -         ..
121230 -         Transclusion Problems???
121231 -         
121232 -         Other problems with transclusion include interface issues
121233 -         relating to whether you expect to find fulltext search hits in
121234 -         in/transcluded content, how you address into included
121235 -         content... doing this feature right does get a little tricky
121236 -         (when I talked with Doug about this yesterday, he said they
121237 -         had run into the same questions, and that nobody had "funded
121238 -         the research" to answer them :-), ref DRT 2 0363
121239 -
121240 -      Would be helpful to get a few example of "transclusion" and
121241 -      "inline" linking, with explanation of money and time saved by
121242 -      using these features, per questions on 000414, ref SDS 29 5146,
121243 -      and the meeting on 000413. ref SDS 27 1081
121244 -
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SUBJECTS
Useful Technology Used Alot
Vendors Use Their Products Walk the Talk

140401 -  ..
140402 - Twisted Systems "Walks the Talk" on XML Editor for DKR
140403 - Traction Used by Twisted Systems for Daily Management
140404 -
140405 - Follow up ref SDS 29 9477.
140406 -
140407 - Chris responds to Eric's understanding that Traction is used by
140408 - developers in France, reported on 000414, ref SDS 29 9477, noting
140409 - geographically speaking, Traction was mostly designed and built in
140410 - Providence, RI and Washington, DC.  The parser and transformer were
140411 - imported from France.  The distributed team uses Traction as its
140412 - primary coordination vehicle. ref DRT 2 3696
140413 -
140414 -     On 000414 set action item to review some history to see the level
140415 -     of use for supporting daily management. ref SDS 29 5796
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140417 -
140418 -
140419 -
140420 -
1405 -

SUBJECTS
Computers, Software Design, Version Control

1804 -
180401 -  ..
180402 - Versioning Control Supported by Traction
180403 -
180404 - Follow up ref SDS 29 5973.
180405 -
180406 - Chris confirms Eric's understanding reported on 000414, ref SDS 29
180407 - 5973, of versioning in Traction is correct, noting...
180408 -
180409 -     We call the versioning mechanism "update" (used to be "correct"),
180410 -     and we originally intended it to allow you to fix errors or
180411 -     reflect changes in fact. ref DRT 2 5504
180412 -
180413 - ..
180414 - Reduction (?) and Summary
180415 - 
180416 - Chris responds to Eric's question on 000414, ref SDS 29 4588,
180417 - concerning summary and reduction, noting...
180418 -
180419 -     Summary in Tration lets you take some set of entries and post a
180420 -     new entry which "summarizes" the other set.  Whenever you look at
180421 -     any entry, you can see what entries summarize it. Summaries are
180422 -     listed in order of most specific to most general; a summary of a
180423 -     specific set of entries would be listed before a summary of the
180424 -     month, which would in turn be listed before a summary of the year.
180425 -     ref DRT 2 5092
180426 -
180427 -     Summaries of a time period are displayed on the newspage covering
180428 -     the time period.  So you can post a status report on Monday
180429 -     morning summarizing last week, and it will appear on last week's
180430 -     newspage. ref DRT 2 0884
180431 -
180432 -        This sounds a bit like the diary summary in SDS.
180433 -
180434 -     For the idea of reduction, note that the primary method Traction
180435 -     currently has for threading discussions is by tagging the relevant
180436 -     messages (or paragraphs) with the discussions to which they
180437 -     belong, e.g. this paragraph might be part of :discussion:traction.
180438 -     ref DRT 2 5168
180439 -
180440 -     If you later want to prune the thread, or post a summary, you can
180441 -     just change what entries (or paragraphs) are labeled
180442 -     ":discussion:traction".  The ones not labeled will fade into the
180443 -     background (unless you go looking for them using Traction's
180444 -     perspective control).  While not exactly what you are looking for,
180445 -     it is a form of reduction which you might find interesting to work
180446 -     with; we use it extensively. ref DRT 2 0744
180447 -
180448 -
180449 -
180450 -
1805 -

SUBJECTS
Confidentiality Security Privacy Balance Intelligence for Collaborati
Privacy/Security

2005 -
200501 -  ..
200502 - Traction Scoped to Projects
200503 - Permissions, Security, Privacy, Confidentiality
200504 -
200505 - Follow up ref SDS 29 5271.
200506 -
200507 - Chris responds to Eric's question on 000414, ref SDS 29 5271, about
200508 - adding someone to the "authors list," noting...
200509 -
200510 -     Permissions include read, submit, update, reclassify, create
200511 -     category, administer project, administer server.  They are scoped
200512 -     to projects. ref DRT 2 4056
200513 -
200514 -     Question:
200515 -     ..
200516 -     Has Traction been pilot tested on any projects; what cost
200517 -     savings have been established or calculated?
200518 -
200519 -
200520 -
200521 -
200522 -
2006 -

SUBJECTS
Hyperdocuments
Linking Connections
Linking HTML Too Slow for Management

2506 -
250601 -  ..
250602 - Linking Hypertext Supported by Traction
250603 -
250604 - Follow up ref SDS 29 5974.
250605 -
250606 - Chris responds to Eric's question about drag and drop feature for
250607 - linking reported on 000414, ref SDS 29 5974, noting...
250608 -
250609 -     Drag and drop depends on the interface you are using; Outlook and
250610 -     IE support it.  Other browsers vary. ref DRT 2 6831
250611 -
250612 -
250613 -
250614 -
2507 -

SUBJECTS
Catagorize
Subject Index Method

3205 -
320501 -  ..
320502 - Catagories Powerful Traction Feature, Supports Some gIBIS
320503 - Query and Report Derivitive from Catagory Capability
320504 -
320505 - Follow up ref SDS 29 1350, ref SDS 20 1350.
320506 -
320507 - Chris responds to Eric's questions about "query" reported in the
320508 - record on 000414, ref SDS 29 1350, noting...
320509 -
320510 -     Allows... but who really wants to write "newspage week today" when
320511 -     they can write "nwt"? ref DRT 2 4002
320512 - ..
320513 - Chris responds to Eric's question about using hierarchies more
320514 - than two levels deep, reported on 000414, ref SDS 29 0578, noting....
320515 -
320516 -        [On 000420 Eric supplements review commenting Traction does not
320517 -        have a sense of hierarchial documents. ref SDS 30 0001
320518 -
320519 -     Categories *can* be n levels deep.  Perhaps the confusion came in
320520 -     when I explained that we have some predefined structure at the
320521 -     root level. ref DRT 2 5780
320522 -
320523 -     ::project:partition:you:can:go:as:deep:as:you:like
320524 -
320525 -     Partitions include topic, action, discussion, resource and
320526 -     "response" or "semantic".  Topic is the "default" partition, so
320527 -     ::project:topic:news is the same as ::project:news. ref DRT 2 1092
320528 -
320529 -     We support wildcards in the Rapid Selector to allow you, for
320530 -     example, to look at ::*:*:open. ref DRT 2 1872
320531 -
320532 -
320533 -
320534 -
3206 -

SUBJECTS
Summary Linked to Detail = Knowledge

3304 -
330401 -  ..
330402 - Summary of Paragraphs also called "Hierarchy"
330403 -
330404 - Follow up ref SDS 29 6988.
330405 -
330406 - Chris responds to Eric's questions about summary in the record on
330407 - 000414, ref SDS 29 6988, noting that
330408 -
330409 -     In our terminology, the Traction "journal" collects "entries" in
330410 -     "projects".  Entries may be of various types, corresponding to
330411 -     different XML content models.  So far, the main type we have
330412 -     implemented and use is based on an email message with n paragraphs
330413 -     (actually HTML block containers).  The first paragraph is rendered
330414 -     as the subject, the rest as body. Each one is addressable.
330415 -     ref DRT 2 6232
330416 -
330417 -   [...see also above under Reduction. ref SDS 0 0642
330418 -
330419 -   [On 000422 Joe Williams explains summary and hierarchial structures
330420 -   for DKR specification. ref SDS 32 0918
330421 -
330422 -
330423 -
3305 -

SUBJECTS
OHS/DKR Meeting at SRI 000420

3404 -
340401 -  ..
340402 - DKR Project Meeting Agenda for 000420
340403 -
340404 - Follow up ref SDS 26 0001, ref SDS 24 6554.
340405 -
340406 - Received ref DRT 3 0001 from Eric setting out the agenda for the
340407 - meeting on 000420....
340408 -
340409 -    •  <4466 Joe: A Picture We Can Present
340410 -
340411 -       Focuses on marketing/education/technology transfer issues, I
340412 -       believe, aimed at providing a picture we can use to quickly and
340413 -       easily communicate the benefits of the technology. ref DRT 3
340414 -       0001
340415 -
340416 -           [On 000420 Joe gave formal presentation. ref SDS 31 5880
340417 -
340418 -         This aligns with planning on 000407 for Joe to complete
340419 -         preliminary explanations of ideas for creating the DKR.
340420 -         ref SDS 24 2576
340421 -
340422 -         The presentation was planned for 000413, but was there was not
340423 -         enough time. ref SDS 27 7200
340424 -
340425 -    •  <4176 Twisted Systems futures
340426 -
340427 -       Being simply god awful at delegating tasks, I neglected to make
340428 -       sure someone was following up with Chris Nuzum to see how we can
340429 -       work together with Twisted Systems, and at least get a copy of
340430 -       Traction to use. Doug met with him over the weekend, and I'll
340431 -       talk to him later today. Hopefully one of us will have something
340432 -       to report. ref DRT 3 3072
340433 -
340434 -         This aligns with Eric's analysis on 000414, ref SDS 29 3450,
340435 -         and above. ref SDS 0 3450
340436 -
340437 -         May address issues from prior presentation on 000413.
340438 -         ref SDS 27 0351
340439 -
340440 -    • <1152 Licensing Options
340441 -
340442 -      (discussion so far, unless anyone has specific proposals to
340443 -       make), ref DRT 3 6290
340444 -
340445 -        Not sure what this means.
340446 -
340447 -        On 000407 agenda issue was proposed to discuss business issues,
340448 -        ref SDS 24 6973, which included legal questions on open source
340449 -        from the meeting on 000324, ref SDS 15 3055, and licensing is
340450 -        evidently related to sponsor funding, from the meeting on
340451 -        000406. ref SDS 23 3055
340452 -
340453 -    • Open Standard vs. Open Source -- discussion
340454 -
340455 -      Which is desirable? Which is fundable? ref DRT 3 5112
340456 -
340457 -        On 000407 agenda issue proposed to discuss open source as part
340458 -        of business analysis. ref SDS 24 6973
340459 -
340460 -    • Business Models
340461 -
340462 -      See above.
340463 -
340464 -        Guess this relates to licensing and open source issues.
340465 -
340466 -
340467 - Submitted ref DIT 1 0001 linked to the record on 000413, Eric's
340468 - analysis on 000414, this record and to the record on 000414 showing I
340469 - will be in trial for the next several weeks. ref SDS 28 0001 Supported
340470 - Eric's suggestion to try Traction, since this will be an easy way for
340471 - the team to get started on Doug's request 000405 to start putting
340472 - links in email. ref SDS 22 2484
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