CONTACTS 

SUBJECTS
Colloquium Unfinished Revolution, 0000000000
Procedures Robert's Rules of Order
Objectives Robert's Rules Automate
Decision Support, Documentation
Robert's Rules Automate
Communities Need Markets to Facilitate Resource Allocation
Energy Problem Solved by Market Forces
Fairness, Equality v. Markets
Resource Depletion
Managed Economy
Markets Allocate Resources Better than Command and Control for Regula

2113 -    ..
2114 - Summary/Objective
2115 -
211501 - Follow up ref SDS 21 0000, ref SDS 20 0000.
211502 -
211503 - John Werneken argues against using Robert's Rules of Order to guide
211504 - decision process of the Colloquium, and follow on efforts to create a
211505 - knowledge management capability. ref SDS 0 0897  Part of his concern
211506 - seems to be an understandable desire to avoid imposing majority votes
211507 - with narrow margins on hotly contested issues.  John presents aspects
211508 - of using Robert's Rules.  He seems to favor consensus decisions,
211509 - citing prior experience in elective office.  He draws attention to
211510 - more complex decision processes involving a lot of different interests
211511 - in a town. ref SDS 0 5070  Eric Armstrong explains Robert's Rules was
211512 - proposed for consideration, and that automated implementation could
211513 - help organizations that use this method. ref SDS 0 5408  Eric asks for
211514 - suggestions on other decision support capabilities. ref SDS 0 6873
211515 -
211516 -
211517 -
211518 -
211519 -  ..
2116 -
2117 -
2118 - Progress
2119 -
211901 -  ..
211902 - Fairness Levels All to a Standard; Markets Raise Standards of Living
211903 - Communities Use Market Forces to Aid Allocation of Scarce Resources
211904 - Energy Applied Efficiently to Lift Community Through Market Forces
211905 -
211906 - Follow up ref SDS 21 0987, ref SDS 15 0873.
211907 -
211908 - Received from John Werneken ref DRT 1 0001 disagreeing with proposal
211909 - to use Robert's Rules of Order for Colloquium management, based on the
211910 - Parliamentary Assistant capability presented on 000218. ref SDS 15
211911 - 0873
211912 -
211913 -       [On 010114 John Maloney proposes "deliberately managed
211914 -       conversation" to accomplish KM. ref SDS 25 1550
211915 -    ..
211916 -    Received from Eric Armstrong ref DRT 2 0001 noting Robert's
211917 -    Rules was not presented as the "right" way, or necessarily even the
211918 -    "best" way. ref DRT 2 2173 reviewed further below. ref SDS 0 0784
211919 -
211920 -    Jon Winters concurred with Eric's letter, and suggested looking to
211921 -    automate time tested ways of doing things. ref DRT 3 0001
211922 -
211923 -        On 000218 Eric pointed out that Robert's Rules of Order has
211924 -        been used for 400 years. ref SDS 15 0786
211925 -
211926 - John Werneken relates in his letter that the Colloquium presented the
211927 - energy problem in relation to free markets. as a choice between...
211928 -
211929 -    Community allocation using Robert's Rules of Order to accomplish...
211930 -
211931 -                        fair sharing, or
211932 -    ..
211933 -    Market allocation...
211934 -
211935 -                       allowing the rich to use what
211936 -                       they will, until gone'
211937 -
211938 - The formulation of choices for allocating resources, like energy, as
211939 - voting for "fairness," or using market forces, is incorrect.  A
211940 - collective decision imposing a common denominator on an entire
211941 - community does not carry moral suasion as "good" or "fair," because it
211942 - cannot accommodate variable needs, desires, incentives and uses that
211943 - leverage capabilities, ref DRT 1 0540, to improve the lives of
211944 - individuals and the strength of community along the continuum from a
211945 - single person, to a family, a small company, a medium sized
211946 - organization, or a large institution.  The scale of choices is too
211947 - staggering for a common decision modality to process, as noted in
211948 - Doug's paper on Groupware published in 1992, reviewed on 991222.
211949 - ref SDS 7 1596  History shows markets work better to serve variable,
211950 - dynamic needs, ref DRT 1 4212, within the meaning of dynamic knowledge
211951 - management, previously set out in John's letter, ref DRP 1 1862, to
211952 - the Colloquium reviewed on 000120. ref SDS 8 3712
211953 - ..
211954 - John reviews tensions, processes and arguments for and
211955 - against...
211956 -
211957 -     Binding decisions. ref DRT 1 3658
211958 -
211959 -       John draws a negative correlation with military intelligence or
211960 -       killing for peace.  Military intelligence is reviewed in
211961 -       relation to adding "intelligence" to management, in POIMS.
211962 -       ref OF 2 5820
211963 -
211964 -       John describes the strength of liberty supported in the US by a
211965 -       Constitution, backed by military intelligence, that empowers
211966 -       individuals to make decisions that impact their lives, and
211967 -       resolve conflicts endemic to community life. ref DRT 1 7912
211968 -
211969 -       John cautions against the Parliamentary Assistant proposal,
211970 -       where the individual is powerless in the face of "Cosmic
211971 -       Citizenship" idea. ref DRT 1 5785
211972 -        ..
211973 -     Consensus decision, ref DRT 1 4899
211974 -
211975 -       If the problem is large, consensus is the only way other than
211976 -       war to obtain a supported decision. ref DRT 1 2450
211977 -
211978 -       People prosper when compulsion is minimized, as occurs under
211979 -       consensus, and prefer for change to percolate from the bottom
211980 -       up, rather than be imposed from top down. ref DRT 1 0540
211981 -
211982 -       Robert Rules of Order depend on the skill of the...
211983 -
211984 -                     forum leader
211985 -                     negotiations
211986 -                     inputs of stakeholders
211987 -
211988 -       Robert's Rules of Order works by enabling consensus among
211989 -       voluntary groups; but, too much majority over-rule and the
211990 -       group fragments. ref DRT 1 2204
211991 -
211992 -       "Majority rule" is achieved through coalitions of competing
211993 -       minorities, and individuals.  Robert's Rules of Order enables
211994 -       competition in an orderly manner, based on argument.  The aim is
211995 -       to avoid fragmenting the larger body, whether or not a decision
211996 -       results. ref DRT 1 4189
211997 -       ..
211998 -       Points of order are opportunities for interjection and
211999 -       delay. Who gets to speak shapes the debate.
212000 -
212001 -    Chair leads the process
212002 -
212003 -       A good Chair or good leaders manages application of Robert's
212004 -       Rules of Order so that the body is comfortable with its
212005 -       emerging will: a consensus is formed. ref DRT 1 4270
212006 -
212007 -    Equality of participants
212008 -
212009 -       People in deliberative bodies (e.g., a union meeting, school
212010 -       board, legislature) can have disproportionate influence on
212011 -       issues important to them, which are less important to others.
212012 -       Wealth is one of the unevenly-distributed things which
212013 -       concentrates influence, some of the time on some of the issues,
212014 -       but it is far from the only thing that works that way.
212015 -       ref DRT 1 9996
212016 -   ..
212017 -   Agendas can be set by consensus
212018 -
212019 -       Record ideas in public and then tally the preferences, allowing
212020 -       each member a limited number of preferences but allowing each
212021 -       to put as many preferences as they want to, and have, on a
212022 -       given topic. ref DRT 1 2352
212023 -   ..
212024 -   Decisions Gauged to Level of Impact
212025 -
212026 -       John relates personal history as an elected neighborhood leader
212027 -       who could direct signage decisions. ref DRT 1 7128
212028 -
212029 -       His current town has a more formal way of doing the same thing
212030 -       that is more complex, using procedures for identifying where
212031 -       traffic is too fast, and for setting priorities.  John relates
212032 -       this works pretty well. ref DRT 1 6734
212033 -
212034 -       John can't see any assembly (on-line or in-person) coming up
212035 -       with anything this supportable as a piece of legislation
212036 -       considered under Robert's Rules of Order. ref DRT 1 5170
212037 -
212038 -
212039 -
212040 -  ..
212041 - DKR Provides Accurate, Timely Record for Decision Support
212042 -
212043 - Eric relates today that a DKR is a necessary part of a decision system
212044 - using Robert's Rules of Order.  On 000218 a "DKR" provides an accurate
212045 - timely record, as reported on 000218, ref SDS 15 1092 Therefore
212046 - "automating a Roberts-like procedure" gets the camel's nose under the
212047 - tent flap -- it exposes decision-makers to an important reasoning tool
212048 - they were unaware of before. ref DRT 2 5244  This aligns with "camel's
212049 - nose" analysis submitted on 000218, ref DRP 2 7820, reviewed in the
212050 - record. ref SDS 15 0786
212051 -
212052 -     Eric has not addressed fear of accountability and responsibility
212053 -     that suppress capturing the record. ref SDS 15 0862
212054 -
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212056 -
2121 -

SUBJECTS
Pilot Projects, Testing
Don't Do It Unless You are Sure Reduces Opportunity to Discover Impro
Pilot Test Overcomes Fear Change Leadership Broader Vision Helps Peop

270501 -  ..
270502 - Colloquium Seeking Decision Support Capability to Augment
270503 - Pilot Testing Avoids Risk of Decisions Where Engineer is Not Sure
270504 -
270505 - Eric recommends looking for decision-making procedures that work well,
270506 - augmenting it, if possible, and then use it to augment human
270507 - capabilities. ref DRT 2 7828  He cites his question on 000218 asking
270508 - if there are decision making models the Colloquium should consider
270509 - using? ref DRP 2 5550 shown in the record. ref SDS 15 4892
270510 -
270511 -     [On 000226 Dick Karpinski suggests SDS implements DKR. ref SDS 22
270512 -     0897]
270513 - ..
270514 - Eric feels that for system design, a decision mechanism is not
270515 - needed because a policy of "don't do it if you're not sure" is a
270516 - pretty reasonable design constraint.  In many arenas, though, *some*
270517 - decision is required.  Faced with the inevitability of making some
270518 - decision, if only by default, we must ask "what works best?"
270519 - ref DRT 2 6882
270520 -
270521 - Aligns with resistance to pilot testing SDS reported on 990317.
270522 - ref SDS 3 5600
270523 -
270524 -     What is the difference between "don't do it if you are not sure,"
270525 -     and Andy Grove's call to experiment to discover whether potential
270526 -     benefits can be achieved at reasonable cost? reviewed on 980307.
270527 -     ref SDS 2 3416
270528 -     ..
270529 -     On 991222 Doug Engelbart calls for ABC Improvement which
270530 -     calls for C activity that requires pilot testing and experimenting
270531 -     when you are not sure in order to discover how to improve.
270532 -     ref SDS 7 N65J
270533 -
270534 -        [On 000227 Eric questions efficacy of ABC improvement methods.
270535 -        ref SDS 22 0984
270536 -
270537 -     Eric's procedure seems effective for sustaining technologies, as
270538 -     defined by Clay Christensen in his book "Innovator's Dilemma"
270539 -     reviewed on 990527. ref SDS 4 7372  Disruptive technology, which
270540 -     might more closely explain the DKR effort, however, requires a
270541 -     different strategy. ref SDS 4 1221
270542 -
270543 -        [On 000407 listed as agenda item for project meeting.
270544 -        ref SDS 24 4783
270545 -     ..
270546 -     Why would engineering management be different from John's
270547 -     problem of deciding whether to put up a new street sign?
270548 -     ref SDS 0 5070
270549 -
270550 -     If being sure is the only criteria, does not that limit horizons,
270551 -     deny opportunity to expand capabilities by creating new ones that
270552 -     do not yet exist?  If an engineer is not sure, doesn't pilot
270553 -     testing help, as proposed by Doug in his paper on Groupware,
270554 -     reviewed on 991222? ref SDS 7 5402
270555 -
270556 -  ..
270557 -
270558 - Eric asks for the best source of information for counter-proposals.
270559 - ref DRT 2 7990
270560 -
270561 -     [On 000226 Dick Karpinski suggests SDS implements DKR. ref SDS 22
270562 -     0897]
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SUBJECTS
Ontology Organize Structure
Organization Method
Subject Indexing, General
Organic Subject Structure, MBO
Pandora's Box, Information Highway
Subject Indexing is Complex, Others Have Failed
Eykan, Henry van

3910 -
391001 -  ..
391002 - Everything Organized by Dynamic Knowledge Management System
391003 -
391004 - Follow up ref SDS 21 1254.
391005 -
391006 - Submitted ref DIT 1 0001 to Henry van Eyken linked to the record on
391007 - 000223 showing how Henry's letters on education are organized in the
391008 - SDS record. ref SDS 21 1254   This responds to the question in his
391009 - letter about this matter. ref DRP 11 3500
391010 -
391011 - Also requested Henry's comment on alphabet technology as the core of
391012 - knowledge management, ref DIT 1 2652, as shown in the record on
391013 - 991108. ref SDS 5 0300
391014 - ..
391015 - Received ref DRT 4 0001 from Henry commenting favorably on
391016 - review of the SDS record submitted in my letter, that linked to
391017 - analysis of Hutch's paper on Legend of Prometheus, 991108. ref SDS 5
391018 - 4355
391019 -
391020 - Henry does not comment on the alphabet question nor in general about
391021 - review of Prometheus in the record on 991108, requested in my letter.
391022 - ref DIT 1 2652,
391023 -
391024 - Henry asks...
391025 -
391026 -    1.  How to maintain an organized record over a period of years.?
391027 -
391028 -           SDS has a lot of firepower to expedite reading and writing,
391029 -           reported on 950204. ref SDS 1 4995   The plan, perform,
391030 -           report process makes writing up the record, a big part of
391031 -           doing the work, see POIMS. ref OF 2 1104  SDS has inherent
391032 -           organizing structures to manage information, including
391033 -           documents, as an aid to understanding daily experience. This
391034 -           expedites the "intelligence collection" role Doug discusses
391035 -           as central to knowledge management, reviewed on 991222.
391036 -           ref SDS 7 8064
391037 -
391038 -             [On 000226 Dick Karpinsky reviewed SDS. ref SDS 22 0897]
391039 -
391040 -             [On 000226 Henry comments on Dick's review. ref SDS 22
391041 -             6097]
391042 -
391043 -             [On 000227 Eric cites advantages of organizing
391044 -             information. ref SDS 22 0937]
391045 -        ..
391046 -    2.  How does SDS integrate, X-ref. with other KM schemes?
391047 -        ref DRT 4 2132
391048 -
391049 -           SDS integrates with work product of any source, and the
391050 -           deliverable of SDS is ordinary textual analysis that can be
391051 -           applied for anything and anyone, with the added feature of
391052 -           alignment showing chronologies of cause and effect.  X-
391053 -           ref has not been reviewed.  Possibly Henry can provide a
391054 -           source, or some examples, if he is using it.
391055 -
391056 -
391057 -  ..
391058 - Orality and Literacy Reflects Tension between Thinking and Doing
391059 -
391060 - Henry comments with interest in a post script about the classical
391061 - debate between orality and literacy set out in the record on 991108
391062 - reviewing Hutch's paper on Prometheus.  He noticed Plato seemingly
391063 - advanced opposing arguments: favoring literacy over orality, as
391064 - reported on 991108, ref SDS 5 7426; yet, having Socrates speak against
391065 - literacy, ref DRT 4 0468, shown on 991209 reviewing Plato's
391066 - commentaries on the Phaedrus. ref SDS 6 0877
391067 -
391068 -     [On 000329 sent Ross a letter saying Hutch's paper has been a big
391069 -     hit at the Colloquium. ref SDS 23 0001
391070 -
391071 - This is an important aspect of the knowledge management dilemma.
391072 - ..
391073 - POIMS explains speech is the dominate mode of communication
391074 - because it has immediacy. ref OF 2 6993  Literacy provides a stronger
391075 - form of thinking through writing, also, explained in POIMS.
391076 - ref OF 2 3742 There is, therefore a natural tension between these
391077 - modes, and the struggle is to find the best balance for any given
391078 - situation, also, discussed in POIMS as the tension between thinking
391079 - and doing. ref OF 2 2049
391080 -
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391084 -
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SUBJECTS
Web Master, Henry van Eykan, 000225
Web Master, Eykan, Henry van
Webmaster BI Assignment

4306 -
430601 -  ..
430602 - Henry van Eykan Web Master BootStrap and DKR Project
430603 -
430604 - Henry has just accepted an offer by Doug Engelbart to be the web
430605 - master for the Bootstrap Institute that will carry on the work of the
430606 - Colloquium in developing a Dynamic Knowledge Repository. ref DRT 4
430607 - 1624
430608 -
430609 - Henry has a heavy schedule to catch with pending matters on his
430610 - Fleabyte web site. ref DRT 4 4902
430611 -
430612 -     [On 000227 Henry announces his new assignment. ref SDS 22 0005]
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