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Originally Aired: March 28, 2007
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Extended Interview: Dr. Anna Barker Discusses Cancer Biomarker Research
Dr. Anna Barker, deputy director of the National Cancer Institute, discusses
how cancer biomarkers -- changes in the body's cells that can indicate cancer
-- may improve cancer screening and treatment.
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SUSAN DENTZER: Let's talk about cancer in the future of Americans.
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DR. BARKER: Well, as you know, cancer will take the lives of 1,500 people
today; 560,000 people will die from this disease this year; and nearly 1.5
million people will receive a diagnosis of cancer this year. That's really -
those statistics are really daunting, but if you look forward into the future,
and not that far into the future, 12, 15 years even, we could see an increase
of cancer approaching 50 percent in some estimates, certainly in the 30 percent
range, and from 30 to 50 percent means an enormous number of increase in cancer
cases.
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SUSAN DENTZER: Overall that means how many Americans?
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DR. BARKER: If you look at the number of cancers that are being diagnosed today
in terms of new cancer cases, if you do the numbers actually, you could - you
could nearly see a doubling of the number of diagnoses in new cancer cases in a
reasonably short period of time - 12 to 15 years.
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SUSAN DENTZER: So we're essentially now looking at one out of three Americans
having a cancer diagnosis. You're saying it could go as high as one out of
two?
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DR. BARKER: Well, I think the one out of three number will probably hold, but
it's that the number of cases per se is going to go up. In other words, the
number of cases and number of Americans that get diagnosed with the disease.
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So today about one out of three Americans can expect to get cancer. And if you
look at the aging of the population, the number of cancer cases will increase
significantly.
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SUSAN DENTZER: Just recently the American Cancer Society put out new numbers,
suggesting that mortality was continuing to decrease, particularly in certain
cancers. How do we put that story together with the story you're telling us
about?
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DR. BARKER: Very exciting, that story, and that is a real decrease, and we
believe it will continue to decrease. I think it's a combination of several
things - earlier detection of the disease, certainly, and some of the
biomarkers that we'll talk about that are being used very effectively. And I
think better treatment - if you get earlier diagnosis, you get better treatment
and you get better survival. So, you know, I think all these things are
beginning to really add up, but ultimately this is all deriving from the
science we've been doing over the last nearly 34, 35 years, and it's now
starting to really pay off for - for the cancer patient.
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What is a biomarker?
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SUSAN DENTZER: Let's put the biomarker story in context, then, with this
enormous surge in the number of cases we're going to be experiencing. How
important is the quest for biomarkers and biomarker discovery in the context of
battling this future of a very major increase in numbers of cases of cancer?
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DR. BARKER: Well, if you look at this increase that we're looking at and
expecting in terms of the aging of the population and cancer, we have to have
better ways to detect this disease earlier. We have to treat it in a much more
charted fashion. We have to be able to know when cancer is going to come back
or recur, and biomarkers are actually probably the single biggest hope we have
to accomplish those goals.
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SUSAN DENTZER: Now let's talk about the continuum of efforts that
NCI is engaged in.
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DR. BARKER: So if you - let's step back and ask ourselves what is a
biomarker. Let's start there. And biomarkers are variously defined. It's a
complex term that captures an enormous amount of science. But really it's
measuring the change in a normal cellular process, or a malignant or cancer
cell process. It can also - it's also used sometimes to measure changes
following treatment - changes in biomarkers. So that means that biomarkers can
be changes in genes, changes in proteins, some combination thereof. It can
even be imaging, for example. Images can qualify as biomarkers if it's
measuring changes in a specific organ or a specific process.
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So these biomarkers actually, if you start all the way back at prevention
and you move through prevention, early detection, treatment, follow-up
care, etc., biomarkers can then form every step of that process.
However, the biomarker story is one that will require that we also go
back in another continuum - that's the research continuum - with
discovery.
So we have to discover biomarkers, we have to validate biomarkers,
and then we have to use biomarkers in clinical trials, and then we have
to actually make products that patients receive that are actually
biomarker based.
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So what NCI has tried to do over the last several years, and this is the
culmination of many years of work, is to first of all go back to discovery,
and we're doing several projects in discovery. All of our individual
investigator grants are really based in discovery, but we're doing two
additional projects that are really pretty exciting. One is called the
Cancer Genome Atlas, and it's a pilot project. It's a very big
undertaking, but we've teamed up with the National Human Genome
Research Institute to try to discover all the genetic changes in cancer.
We're starting with three cancers and that's gliomas, or brain tumors,
ovarian cancer, and lung cancer. That's a very big project, so doing a
pilot project to see if it's scalable - can we do this for all cancer - is a
three year project, and we're spending about $100 million between the
National Human Genome Research Institute and ourselves on that
project.
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NCI initiatives
SUSAN DENTZER: Just to stop you there, since cancer is a disease
where the gene changes don't just happen once, they're happening
continually throughout the disease process, that's an incredible
undertaking.
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DR. BARKER: The Cancer Genome Atlas, or TCGA as we've come to
call it, is a very, very big undertaking because as you point out, cancer
is the disease of genes, but it's a disease of accumulation of genetic
changes, and so there will be lots and lots of genetic changes.
So our challenges here are quite daunting, is one to find all those
genetic changes, but to also separate the signal, which is really
important in terms of those genetic changes, from the noise, because
there are a lot of genetic changes that won't have much to do with
cancer.
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So we have - we have actually, we believe, an absolutely superb team
to work this out, and all the way from some of the best of our cancer
biologists, to the genemicist, to the bio-informaticist who is going to
work on this and put all this data together using specimens actually
from clinical trials.
So if there's a chance to do this well, and I think there is, and we
believe there is, the timing is right, this is probably - will be one of the
most important projects we've undertaken in medicine today.
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SUSAN DENTZER: So continuing on the continuum --
DR. BARKER: So going back to the way genes actually work - so
when mutations occur or changes occur in genes, those get translated
into sort of the workhorses of the cells, which are proteins, and
proteins are going to be there in much larger numbers in terms of
changes than genes. So we have undertaken another program at the
NCI called the Clinical Proteomics Technology Initiative. We're trying to
bring some standardization to the discovery of proteins so they can be
used as biomarkers.
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So the things we're working on actually are begin to standardize the
technologies, things like mass spectrometry, which are used to
measure changes in proteins, just to create the reagents here, so that
we have common sets of reagents that all scientists can use.
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SUSAN DENTZER: Let's define reagents and why we need them.
DR. BARKER: So reagents actually will be antibodies, or parts of
antibodies, because most of the proteins that we have used to date
actually have to be developed by isolating them, finding them, and
testing for them using antibodies. And antibodies are your body's
response to an antigen or a foreign protein, or a self-protein. And so
we are going to be able to create sets of reagents or sets of antibodies,
or parts of antibodies that the entire community can access, and then
protocols for how to do this, you know, and how to get reproducible
results.
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And so our clinical Proteomics technology initiative is underway. Again,
it's - it's a much earlier project in some ways than the Cancer Genome
Atlas in the sense that we'll be developing a lot of the technologies and
standardizing them, and if you start looking at the size of the
Proteomics problem, it's much, much bigger. We believe there could
be anywhere from 100,000 to a million different proteins that might be
important in cancer, and if you look to date in the literature - published
literature from scientists, there's probably a little - there's probably a
little over 1,200 proteins that have been discovered and seem to be
linked to cancer.
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To date we've only approved - FDA's approved about 12 for use in the
clinic, so you can see there's quite a disconnect. And if there - let's say
there's anywhere between 100,000 and a million proteins, there are
many, many more proteins to discover, obviously. But we need the
standardized technologies, and we need the standardized reagents,
and we need the protocols and the laboratories to be able to reproduce
each other's results.
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So that's the project that we've undertaken, and if you move now
across the continuum into development, we have several programs at
the NCI where we're developing biomarkers. The first of those is called
the early detection research network, and there our goal is to validate
biomarkers in the clinic, and in patients actually. And I should tell you it
is a very rigorous process. It's very hard to qualify your biomarker for
the early detection research network. You have to go through a lot of
hurdles because it's a very expensive process to put this biomarker
into the clinic.
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From lab to clinical practice
SUSAN DENTZER: And let's just say what we mean by validation.
What are we getting at?
DR. BARKER: Validation means that you would develop a clinical trial,
and you would basically predict that your biomarker would have a
certain effect. Let's say that you were measuring the change in some
cellular process, and you were treating a patient and you - you told the
regulators, the FDA in this case, that if I treat this patient with this
particular drug, there will be a definitive and reproducible change in a
cellular process that I can measure. So you have to measure -
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SUSAN DENTZER: To measure what protein will go up or it will go
down.
DR. BARKER: It will go down, that's exactly right. And you can
measure it reproducibly. And you have to show in patient after patient
after patient that you can measure that reproducibly because patients
are very heterogeneous. They are quite different. So your expression
of that protein and my expression of that protein, even though we have
the same disease, we're being treated by the same agent, might be
different.
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So validation requires what we call randomized trials, which means
that you have large numbers, and you have to have statistical validity
in these trials. You have to do enough patients to be able to find all
those differences. So that's the - that's the early detection research
network.
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Now, if you continue to move across this continuum, we have
something called the integrated cancer biology program, or systems
biology as it's come to be known, where we're looking at how all these
pathways and the cells come together in malignant cells, and that will
tell us a little bit more about which biomarkers might be critical, and
have a bigger impact on the cell, for example, than some of the - some
of the smaller regions that we're looking at.
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Now, if you move further into that continuum, so now we're in
development - so let's move over to how are we going to deliver these
protein biomarkers of genome biomarkers or whatever, we have a
program in nanotechnology. It is becoming obvious to us that we are
going to have to measure lots of things in cells. And so
nanotechnology, as you know, is a science that measures at a very,
very small level, much, much smaller than water molecules, for
example, or at the size of water molecules, 10 angstroms, you know,
very, very small. And so we've developed a program to be able to put
lots and lots of these biomarkers onto platforms so that we can
measure them in patients - measure large numbers of them in patients
in the future.
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And we then have on the very end of this continuum then, we have a
very robust clinical trials infrastructure that will be able to test these
biomarkers and clinical trials. And then after - after we can establish
the validity of a clinical trial as judged by the FDA for a biomarker, then
the private sector can actually make it and send it to patients. And
that's a very long continuum.
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We hope for biomarkers that won't be as long as drug development,
which now takes roughly 10 years, and can cost up to a billion dollars.
We think that biomarkers will enable that process. Number one, it will
probably reduce the time it requires to develop drugs as well as reduce
the cost of developing drugs.
SUSAN DENTZER: And on the clinical trial piece of it, we're on the eve
of launching a trial, as we were discussing a moment ago. Let's
discuss that anew. Tell me about this trial that is about to get
underway.
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DR. BARKER: So one of the major gaps we have here in terms of
biomarker validation is, in fact, the relationship with the FDA that's
required in terms of the science that needs to be established before
FDA can really judge what a biomarker is, and whether or not it's
effective.
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So NCI has been working with FDA over the last nearly five years now
to establish some guidance for how we would set up trials for
biomarkers. And through something called the Interagency Oncology
Task Force, we have developed something called the Oncology
Biomarker Qualification Initiative. We have lots of acronyms in the
government, as you well know, and through that we have designed two
trials actually to measure the impact of biomarkers, working with FDA
and also with the Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services.
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Through the Interagency Oncology Task Force, we have actually
developed something called the Oncology Biomarker Qualification
Initiative, which is actually a collaboration between the FDA, the NCI,
and CMS, and we are hoping to qualify biomarkers, and the first two
trials that we have actually designed, the first one is in non-Hodgkin's
lymphoma, and the second one is in lung cancer. Both of them actually
are going to get underway probably here in the next two months.
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The biomarker that we're looking at is actually something called FDG
PET. It's a functional imaging biomarker. It's based on actually
changes in the metabolism of cancer cells versus normal cells, and it's
actually measuring changes in the way glucose is metabolized in these
cells. And we have a long history in non-Hodgkin's lymphoma of using
this biomarker, and we believe that this is one of those that will be
reasonably straightforward to qualify with FDA, and we are using the
same approach for lung cancer. The two diseases are different, but
this - this functional imaging should work in both of these trials.
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Treating non-Hodgkin's lymphoma
SUSAN DENTZER: So literally, is this going to be for diagnosing non-
Hodgkin's lymphoma, or for measuring changes in cells based on
treatment of the disease?
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DR. BARKER: This is going to be actually to look at the latter, to look
at how are the cells changing with treatment, and is the treatment
actually working. And you can imagine, and going back to our definition
of biomarkers, which is really sort of a change that you can measure,
whether it's in a normal cell or a neoplastic cell, you can imagine that
biomarkers are going to be used for all kinds of things in the future.
They're going to be used to detect diseases early, they're going to be
used to actually hopefully even detect diseases early enough to
prevent the disease. They're going to be used to inform drug discovery,
so you can actually develop targeted therapies to these biomarkers.
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They're going to be used actually to choose the right therapy for
patients, so you'll go in a - you'll be placed in a clinical trial based on
your expression of a biomarker. It will be used to monitor how you're
doing in the clinical trial, and they'll also be used as prognostic factors,
or predictive factors to say that you're doing well, you could do well,
and also to tell you when your cancer recurs.
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So you can see why we're so excited about biomarkers because if you
could do any of those things well right now in terms of predicting who is
going to respond, for example, you could improve - you could improve
almost exponentially the way that patients actually respond to
treatment for example.
So we're very excited about every phase of biomarker use, and that's
why the NCI is actually investing lots of resources and funding lots of
investigators to actually work on this problem.
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SUSAN DENTZER: I'd like to just make it very concrete for people that
in this trial involving non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, essentially what people
will be doing is treating patients for the disease, and then looking with
a PET scan at these changes that you can actually see in cells.
DR. BARKER: As these patients with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma are
treated, both before they're treated and after they're treated, the
clinician will look at the PET scan, this functional imaging scan, and be
able to determine if the disease is getting better or not, and - or getting
worse in some situations. So they'll be able to maybe treat earlier,
where they would have waited, and they may actually not - hopefully
not overtreat. Sometimes we're also overtreating patients.
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So this is a - this will be a good test of whether or not FDG PET
functional imaging is going to qualify as a biomarker with FDA, and
also if it's going to really help patients.